00:00:00:00 - 00:00:31:16 Speaker 1 On what project and programs to find within with the $150,000, again, that Santa Cruz area may receive. And then finally, it's going to be, a director decision, to determine which of these projects and programs, would be funded. But he really relies on your recommendation to make this decision. And finally, after he makes the decision, we will, the selected projects will be announced, and we'll we'll start working on projects and programs. 00:00:31:18 - 00:01:07:16 Speaker 1 So that is option one. Option two, is medium USC participation. And the difference here is that, excuse me, is that the only difference in the process is that after our initial screening, we will have a grant and grant evaluation committee review, which there'll be three reviews from the department that could go through the applications that were received from some reason reducing members, would only like to receive a certain amount of applications. 00:01:07:16 - 00:01:50:05 Speaker 1 So, for example, if we received 15 applications, and again, that means that tuition numbers would either have to read all of the applications and have all of these systems, presentations presented to them. Jewison members may decide to say, you know, we only want to review ten applications or seven applications. And that's where option two would come to place is your evaluation committee will prioritize what project we think are the most valuable, for the AMA and maybe bring us the, the best bang for our buck, and then we'll bring only that number of projects to the GSC for evaluation. 00:01:50:07 - 00:02:14:08 Speaker 1 And then it moves, again, as we mentioned in option one, we have added our director decision. Moving forward. And finally, option three, which is definitely not what we would recommend, but because it could be depending on how many project you'll receive, it could take some time to go through all of the applications and all of the, presentations. 00:02:14:10 - 00:02:43:00 Speaker 1 There is the option if you decide, that that is the course of option that that suits you is that there's not going to be, any requirement of the Jewish you to read the application and have the presentations. I would say because Santa Cruz, received 150,000, I don't know that we receive so many applications, but we never know. 00:02:44:02 - 00:03:02:02 Speaker 1 So these are the three options that we would like your thoughts on. Again, this is not a motion, but we just want to know what both of you or either of you think, you would like to participate through this process. 00:03:02:04 - 00:03:06:02 Speaker 2 So you're asking us which ones we which one we prefer? 00:03:06:04 - 00:03:08:16 Speaker 1 Yes, sir. 00:03:08:18 - 00:03:32:12 Speaker 2 Well, I don't like them. I don't like number three. I, I just feel that, did you see, should the review all of them, you know, just out of out of, keeping everybody content that they're not getting cut out by gopac or something. So I'm like you, I'm not very much in favor of three. Either one or the other. 00:03:32:12 - 00:03:42:04 Speaker 2 And I guess, number two, you was going to cut down the you're going to review and only, submit so many to us, is that right? 00:03:42:06 - 00:04:11:02 Speaker 1 Correct. And it could be a number that you choose. So we could say if we receive if let's say GBC members would like to review 15 or less proposals, if we receive less than 15 Jewish members would review all of them exhaustive. 17 then the committee review could potentially, remove the lowest scoring project again, I don't. 00:04:11:02 - 00:04:11:12 Speaker 3 Care what. 00:04:11:12 - 00:04:30:18 Speaker 2 They can do. Can we make a decision? You know, there there again, that's depending on if you get 100 applications, you certainly don't want to review all of them after ten or so. This is just something we can make a decision on after we see how many applications have been been applied or. 00:04:31:05 - 00:04:49:21 Speaker 1 Yes, yes, we can make this decision after, we see how many have applied. And that's something that, again, we won't know until the, the closing date. And we could get back to you and let you know how many we have, for the Senate resumé. And that's something that we can definitely then evaluate. 00:04:49:23 - 00:05:18:13 Speaker 4 I agree, I agree with Ron. I don't like option three either. And, just one question of clarification on option 2 or 1. You just mentioned a moment ago that if we set a certain number that we wanted to review as a Jew app, that the lower ranking would kind of fall off the list then then would people rank them by, by score somehow or, or is that part of the interview process correct? 00:05:18:13 - 00:05:36:23 Speaker 1 We will rank them by, a certain amount of score. And the score would be, according to what we asked in the, notice of funding opportunity, which, Melissa Sykes from our office will go over. It's one of those, documents that we shared with you. And we'll just score them according to what was asked. 00:05:37:00 - 00:05:40:21 Speaker 4 Okay. All right. Understood. 00:05:40:23 - 00:05:41:03 Speaker 3 Yeah. 00:05:41:08 - 00:05:54:17 Speaker 1 So, Gary, just to follow through, you mentioned that you agree with Ron. Are you both saying that you would like to wait and see how many applications we get and make the decision afterwards? 00:05:54:19 - 00:06:21:22 Speaker 4 Yeah, from my chair, I would. I think that was a good point. He raised. I mean, we don't want to sit personally, I don't know how even, you know, how good or. Yes, we're going to get all four of us in a room to interview, you know, lots and lots of people that have programs, but but I think if we, you know, if we know that there's going to be not 100 or if there's only going to be three weeks and you know, that may that may change our approach between 2 and 1, you know. 00:06:22:01 - 00:06:34:05 Speaker 3 Yes. I know that question. Are you going to set a limit on the amount of money that a single person can apply? 00:06:34:07 - 00:07:10:10 Speaker 1 That's a great question, Alejandro. We actually and again, Melissa would go through it, when she described the notice of funding opportunity in, in a second here. But we do set a suggested minimum but not a maximum. Obviously the maximum will be $150,000 because that's as much as we get. But we do have a suggested minimum of $25,000, just because we want to make sure that the administration time of the of the programs and projects that are, are accepted would be valuable. 00:07:10:10 - 00:07:35:00 Speaker 1 So we don't then receive $101,000 projects and programs that we need to then administer, which can take a lot of time and efforts and resources for a project that may or may not have a huge, valuable groundwater conservation. And that's another thing we would like your comment on. When Melissa going to go to that section. 00:07:35:02 - 00:07:41:11 Speaker 3 Are they going to be requirements for matching or extra points for matching money? 00:07:41:13 - 00:08:18:20 Speaker 1 It's not a requirement, but it's these projects would have, priority. And if you're ready, and thank you. These are great. Great question, Alejandro. And I think it's a good segue to the next agenda items, but before, we move, I just want to make sure that, we're pretty much done with the discussions on the process, and that at least two of the members, we have both Ron and Gary would like to know how many projects and program applications you received at the end of the process, and then we'll, we'll move forward with Joey's recommendation on how many to actually evaluate. 00:08:18:22 - 00:08:42:09 Speaker 2 I, I guess I just want one question, which is simple ones fast. Is there any is there any, and anybody's eligible to apply for it? There's nothing that that date and no no requirements that they have to belong to anything or being any kind of certain business or or being any kind of anybody is open to applying. 00:08:42:09 - 00:09:04:20 Speaker 1 For any anyone is. Yeah. Anyone can, apply. The only requirements is that they are the projects are going to be located in The Amaz! And and that they also going to have a program or project that supports the groundwater conservation, which is the the whole meaning of the grant. So, yes. 00:09:04:22 - 00:09:08:00 Speaker 2 Okay. That on that one. Thank you. 00:09:08:02 - 00:09:23:05 Speaker 3 I just want to know if I can, maybe use point as before, but, what how the the decision was made to vary depending on population. 00:09:23:07 - 00:09:40:06 Speaker 1 That just the decision that we receive from, legislators. That's whenever we were assigned the $2 million in grant money. That was the decision that was made on how this fund will be divided among VMs. 00:09:40:08 - 00:09:53:23 Speaker 3 Chair. Okay. Well, I, I guess I see that it's just that we all was going to be the laughing in the pool. 00:09:54:00 - 00:10:03:04 Speaker 1 Yes, but it's it's 150,000 that we haven't had last year. So that's at least that's at least a positive in that way. 00:10:03:06 - 00:10:10:13 Speaker 3 So this is in addition to the conservation money that, gets collected from the fees. 00:10:10:15 - 00:10:36:07 Speaker 1 Correct. This is in addition to all the, Water Management Assistance Program funds. And we'll talk about this, in I believe it's agenda item number four. So if if we're finished with, agenda item two, A, we can move on to agenda item two, B, which I will have Melissa talk about. Sorry, I lost my, my agenda here. 00:10:36:24 - 00:10:47:11 Speaker 1 Talk about the, review she'll review and discuss the grant cycle notice of funding opportunity. So I'm going to, have Melissa take that on. 00:10:47:13 - 00:10:50:10 Speaker 3 And ask one more question before then. 00:10:50:12 - 00:10:53:23 Speaker 1 Of course. 00:10:55:01 - 00:11:07:05 Speaker 3 Does water quality, concern for water quality also be considered part of groundwater conservation or is it just quantity concerns. 00:11:07:07 - 00:11:43:22 Speaker 1 So it's the quantity, the groundwater, conservation, the quantity of the groundwater, water quality is more of a water augmentation type of, I guess the differentiation. However, if an entity or an individual believes that by improving water quality, they could also conserve groundwater, then that may be a project that they want to apply for. And then we'll through the evaluation process. 00:11:44:08 - 00:11:50:15 Speaker 1 We can determine if that is a project that can be funded through this grant or not. 00:11:50:17 - 00:11:52:09 Speaker 3 Thank you. 00:11:52:11 - 00:12:14:02 Speaker 1 Of course. That's fine. Here's Melissa. Good morning everyone. I do want to let Ron know that this is an updated version of the notice of funding opportunity. And you have the previous draft. And so the only differences are going to be on the title page. We included a table of contents, and we added to our appendices to our appendices. 00:12:14:04 - 00:12:25:01 Speaker 2 Well I never did I never never shared it. So that's not a problem. We're just going. So I just go with what's going today and that'll be fine. 00:12:25:14 - 00:12:31:01 Speaker 1 Ron, I just want to confirm, did you receive the, the packet that we mailed you? 00:12:31:03 - 00:12:33:11 Speaker 2 No, I didn't oh. 00:12:33:13 - 00:12:36:13 Speaker 1 Sorry about that. So, that's not. 00:12:36:15 - 00:12:38:18 Speaker 2 Necessary for my my. 00:12:38:22 - 00:12:43:09 Speaker 1 Okay, I received that in the next, they are typically. So just. 00:12:43:11 - 00:12:50:14 Speaker 2 Know. Got that? If I get it today, can we have a general conference tomorrow? 00:12:50:16 - 00:12:54:04 Speaker 1 Well, we're eating our turkey, right? 00:12:54:06 - 00:12:59:12 Speaker 2 No. That's fine. I'm fine with whatever information I'm getting right now. So. 00:12:59:14 - 00:13:30:11 Speaker 1 Excellent. Well, I apologize for that inconvenience. That's roughly right. So I guess we'll just start with page one. We have our title page, and we then we have our table of contents. After the page break, there. So on page one we are specifying, we are introducing the grant and the Water Management Assistance Program. And in this section we're specifying that they do come from two different funds. 00:13:30:13 - 00:14:10:02 Speaker 1 I know enough is already covered that so we can move on if there's no work it's aren't. Any questions about the difference? Our program objectives. This was also covered a little bit by ein of we have this this grant is for groundwater conservation. And to clear that up, we included a definition. Groundwater conservation includes strategies and technologies that protect Arizona's groundwater resources for current and future generations, which include, but are not limited to, the reduction in the consumption and withdrawal of groundwater reduction, the loss and waste of water, improvement in water efficiency, and increase in the reuse and recycling of wastewater. 00:14:10:04 - 00:14:42:04 Speaker 1 If there's no questions on that section, we can move on to the award information. This is detailing how we have broken down the $2 million in grants moneys, for the Santa Cruz Army. They've been you have been allotted 150,000, with a minimum of 25,000. Can I ask you about the building? So for this section, do you have any, adjustments you'd like to make to the minimum, or would you like to apply a maximum or anything like that? 00:14:42:06 - 00:14:45:04 Speaker 1 Or any comments about that? 00:14:45:06 - 00:15:03:21 Speaker 2 No. I'm all right with, you know, 20 any kind of projects? Probably getting that amount center is probably going to need at least 25,000, I would imagine. So. So, all right, little figures. 00:15:03:23 - 00:15:04:05 Speaker 3 Okay. 00:15:04:11 - 00:15:11:19 Speaker 1 Any anyone else? 00:15:11:21 - 00:15:39:22 Speaker 1 Gary, do you have any thoughts on the 25 or, thousand or, that works for us as well. All right. Gary ran out of the room for just a moment. He'll be right back. Okay. Sounds good. So just content overall. And thank you. You're welcome. Okay, we'll just move on. We also have specified a period of performance of a maximum of five years. 00:15:39:24 - 00:16:11:05 Speaker 1 On the next page, we have our eligible applicants, and these are our eligibility criteria. You have to be located within one of the five arms and the last two are, if applicable. If applicable, the applicant must provide appropriate documentation of legal and physical access, as well as implement the project. And three if applicable, the applicant must provide appropriate documentation that any water to be used in the project is legally and physically available. 00:16:11:07 - 00:16:40:00 Speaker 1 In our Grant Requirements in Detail section, this is covering what we would be, but we are requesting the applicants to submit as well as provides a table of examples of water conservation programs and projects. This isn't a limited list. This is a list just to get people thinking about the types of projects that they can apply to. Are there any additions you would like to make to this table? 00:16:40:02 - 00:16:42:16 Speaker 1 Oh, I'm sorry Ron, you don't have. 00:16:42:18 - 00:16:44:07 Speaker 2 No, that's all right. Y'all go ahead. 00:16:44:07 - 00:17:11:22 Speaker 1 Okay okay. I'll just continue. You know, for the priorities section, we have four priorities projects that provide an additional contribution. Projects with new innovative qualities, projects that demonstrate higher impact compared to the other proposed impacts in terms of groundwater conserved and projects that demonstrate multiple benefits. Would you like to see any additional priorities on this list? 00:17:11:24 - 00:17:26:08 Speaker 1 And here, by the way, Alejandro is aware, we mentioned that don't contributions are not required, but it just gonna be a priority for those projects that are serving, recommendations. 00:17:26:10 - 00:17:49:08 Speaker 3 Okay. Is there, projects like for us, there's $150,000. There are two projects that are requesting 150,000. And so the decisions are going to be just a fun one project or to split the money, and that's going to be done. 00:17:49:10 - 00:18:22:06 Speaker 1 It would be to fund one project because the project, the applications will be, specifying a full project. So if we do end up only giving half of the fund for one project and half to the other, both projects may not be complete to the to the satisfactory way that they could have been otherwise. So, it would be to fund one project for 150,000 if we end up having two that are 150,000. 00:18:22:07 - 00:18:26:23 Speaker 3 Okay, okay. 00:18:27:00 - 00:18:28:12 Speaker 3 Okay. Thank you. 00:18:28:14 - 00:18:48:18 Speaker 1 It's there are no more priorities that we'd like to add to this list, and I'll continue to the payment of funds. This is just going over the types of how we're going to be giving payments to the applicants who do receive the grant. It'll be on a reimbursement basis. So much like the Water Management Assistance Program, you'll submit a deliverable. 00:18:48:18 - 00:19:02:01 Speaker 1 And for that deliverable you'll receive some. You will see repayment in the section also details how long it may take for reimbursement of funds, which is about 60 days once approved by 84. 00:19:02:03 - 00:19:20:08 Speaker 2 I got one question on reimbursement. I understand the reimbursement after the After Effects, which is fine, but is there somebody going to decide that the the reimbursement is an applicable. 00:19:20:10 - 00:19:22:18 Speaker 1 What do you mean by, 00:19:22:20 - 00:19:23:13 Speaker 3 What is that? 00:19:25:05 - 00:19:40:14 Speaker 2 Is say they they asked for part of that one half of the reimbursement. But you say that's what the project that what they're asking reimbursement for is not really comparable to what the grant is meant to be. 00:19:40:16 - 00:20:08:03 Speaker 1 Oh, yeah. That's a great question. We always ask for some sort of a program or project, progress report. So they need to describe to us what they accomplished, and it needs to match what they said that they will accomplish in order to receive the funds, or at least part of the funds that would apply to the specific task that they're asking the funds for. 00:20:08:05 - 00:20:10:01 Speaker 1 Does that answer your question? 00:20:10:03 - 00:20:17:14 Speaker 2 Yeah. No. Absolutely. Yeah. That's good. I mean, don't you want to get reimbursement for something that you're not really eligible for? 00:20:17:16 - 00:20:32:11 Speaker 1 Yeah. And that's exactly why we want to make sure that they communicate to us what was achieved. And only then we we verify that that is what we were looking for and what they said they'll do. And then we we should the money. 00:20:32:13 - 00:20:37:19 Speaker 3 Right is good. 00:20:37:21 - 00:20:59:11 Speaker 1 Okay. If there are no more comments on that section, we'll move on to the Application Requirements and Details section. And this is going over the specifics of what we would like the applicant to submit. We want the project proposal to be clear and concise and not exceed 15 pages in size 12 times New Roman font with normal margins and 1.5in spacing. 00:20:59:18 - 00:21:32:11 Speaker 1 We will also we also have, 8 or 9 items that we are requesting the people to submit. What's the first being an application cover page, which is attached in our appendices, an executive summary not to exceed 500 words. A project overview, our scope of work for their scope of work, the budget breakdown, a narrative which is also located in our appendices. 00:21:32:13 - 00:21:57:09 Speaker 1 Additional contribution breakdown, if applicable, a project map and supplemental information that will include evidence of physical and legal availability of water if that is applicable to the project, as well as evidence of control and tenure of the land as well. Also applicable, if applicable, and our State Historic Preservation Office Review Form, which is required. And the last item would be. 00:21:57:09 - 00:22:06:02 Speaker 1 Our application checklist is to ensure that the applicant has completed all the tasks that they have needed to. 00:22:06:04 - 00:22:49:09 Speaker 1 We also have a section detailing, presentations to the Groundwater Users Advisory Councils. So they will be providing a brief 15 minute presentation to the applicable GC. And the GC may request a pre interim and post project report. That's depending on the project and what you'd like to see from those, projects or programs. There has been application assistance information, and that's just my contact information with my phone number and my email for any applicant that need some assistance with applying, or if they just have any questions about what's look what is in the notice of funding opportunity. 00:22:49:11 - 00:23:23:17 Speaker 1 On page seven we have the timeline. The notice of funding opportunity is available December 2nd. And that's this upcoming Monday. And we will be having a pre-application workshop on the 10th. That will be located here from 830 to 10 in room 3175 on the third floor of aid are. The final day to submit the application will be February 14th by 5 p.m. Arizona time and yes, that's it for that section. 00:23:25:14 - 00:23:48:09 Speaker 1 Our last the last bit is the review and selection criteria, which is covering. Basically what was in the application requirements and detail section. Just saying, make sure that you have all of the items that we have requested and awarded. Applicants will have 30 days upon receiving their contract from order to complete it, or they may be in jeopardy of losing their grant funding. 00:23:48:11 - 00:24:01:09 Speaker 1 And then we have the last several pages are our appendices with our attached documents. Are there any questions or comments about the notice? The funding opportunity? 00:24:02:05 - 00:24:09:24 Speaker 2 And let me ask you then the 30 day requirement is which to complete what. 00:24:10:01 - 00:24:38:23 Speaker 1 The 30 day requirement is just to make sure that if, whenever we have a contract drafted, that the applicant is responsive and a reply back within 30 days with any edits or comments. And this is just to assure that we're not waiting for a six months or longer for the applicant to get back to us. So just to make sure that there is communication between us and the applicant, right. 00:24:38:23 - 00:24:49:04 Speaker 2 That that but of course the project when once they get access to the project, am I right that they have a five year period to complete it? Is that right? 00:24:49:06 - 00:25:09:23 Speaker 1 They could. It really depends on the project or program. Some may only want one year, some may may ask for a three year project. It really depends on what they're looking for. However, the maximum amount of time that they would have to complete the project is 16 months is five years, correct? 00:25:10:00 - 00:25:10:15 Speaker 3 Okay. 00:25:10:17 - 00:25:14:22 Speaker 1 But it doesn't have to be five years. It could be like this. 00:25:15:04 - 00:25:27:14 Speaker 2 When you review the application accepted, do you, do you kind of set a timetable that they should have it done within a period? Or do you give them that whole five years to complete it? 00:25:27:16 - 00:25:50:11 Speaker 1 They usually would provide. Well, we asked them to provide us with a timeline. So it's up to them for some projects. May be implemented in one year, another project may be implemented in three years. So it's really depend on the applicant and how long they would like to implement a project or, or what the project is required. 00:25:50:19 - 00:25:58:24 Speaker 1 But the maximum amount of time that this grant will fund is a project of five years. 00:25:59:01 - 00:26:03:22 Speaker 3 That's. Don't. 00:26:03:24 - 00:26:11:18 Speaker 3 But, the question is, the 30 days are time to date or when they. 00:26:11:20 - 00:26:30:00 Speaker 1 That's a great question. We haven't actually, we haven't made that determination. We could. What would you prefer? Just out of capacity as somebody that may do a lot of, contracts, what do you think would be reasonable for you? 00:26:30:00 - 00:26:34:01 Speaker 3 And what can the applicant. 00:26:34:03 - 00:26:35:08 Speaker 1 Working days. 00:26:35:10 - 00:26:38:17 Speaker 3 Yeah. 00:26:38:19 - 00:26:41:01 Speaker 1 Sorry, Alejandro, you're cutting off. 00:26:41:03 - 00:26:44:14 Speaker 3 I think working days work better for everybody. 00:26:44:16 - 00:26:49:22 Speaker 1 Okay, we can do that. It's not a problem. We'll add that language there. Thank you for that comment. 00:26:49:24 - 00:26:56:09 Speaker 3 I. 00:26:56:11 - 00:27:15:16 Speaker 3 I have no other question. Especially for, for our municipalities, like like me. But you wouldn't have required, the contract or the agreement to be signed by or be approved by mayor, council or just staff. 00:27:15:18 - 00:27:18:10 Speaker 3 And then I believe it's. 00:27:18:12 - 00:27:51:07 Speaker 1 It's up to the entity. We've had contracts that were signed by the by the mayor, some that were signed by the, public works director. It really depends on what the entity decides to do. And it depends someone is may require one thing or the other. So to us, as long as we know that whoever signed the contract have the the legal and physical ability to complete the project, that's really what we're looking for. 00:27:51:09 - 00:27:54:02 Speaker 3 Okay. Thank you. Question. 00:27:54:04 - 00:28:06:10 Speaker 1 Excellent. Are there any other comments or questions or any edits that you would like to see in this notice of funding opportunity? 00:28:06:12 - 00:28:30:06 Speaker 2 Well what happens what happens if somebody gets funded and then they don't follow through and complete the project. And they've got reimbursed for half of what they're going to. Don't complete the whole project. You have these are you going to go back and collect for what they had been reimbursed and. 00:28:30:08 - 00:28:33:22 Speaker 2 You follow what I'm saying that I yes. 00:28:33:24 - 00:29:01:05 Speaker 1 I follow it. That's a really good question. I believe we have some sort of a language wording on our, contract. I don't remember what exactly to specify. Obviously, they would not receive the rest of the funds because they haven't completed what they said they will. But I'm not sure exactly how it works in regards to, receiving the money that was already reimbursed. 00:29:01:14 - 00:29:07:00 Speaker 1 We can check that, and verify. 00:29:07:02 - 00:29:16:05 Speaker 2 You know, concerning some projects, unless they were completed 100%, they wouldn't be a valuable project. You know what I'm getting at? Well, there. 00:29:16:05 - 00:29:29:18 Speaker 1 Was absolutely right. We can check with our legal team and look at the, legal questions in our contracts. I believe there are several mentions, but I don't I don't recall what classify. 00:29:29:20 - 00:29:33:04 Speaker 3 That's fine. 00:29:33:06 - 00:29:38:07 Speaker 1 Before we move on, Gary, are you by any chance back on line? 00:29:38:09 - 00:29:41:02 Speaker 4 Yeah, I've been here for a while. Yeah. 00:29:41:09 - 00:30:16:17 Speaker 1 Perfect. Excellent. There was one question that, we mentioned. When you step back for a second and this is about the minimum, number of the minimum amount for the project. So, let me move it back real quick here. So as we mentioned before, we put, recommended or at least a suggested minimum of 25,000, per project. 00:30:16:23 - 00:30:34:01 Speaker 1 Obviously the maximum will be 158,000. Just because that's, as much as we have. But we wanted to get your thoughts as to. Do you think it should be less? It should be more than you think. 25,000, is is a good number. 00:30:34:03 - 00:30:58:23 Speaker 4 Well, you know, I mean, not knowing what kind of projects people might propose, it's sort of it's, you know, it's sort of hard to tell, but, I mean, I would think that certainly as a minimum 25,000 would, would, would probably be a good number. And then of course, I guess it'll be up to our group to decide when somebody meets a presentation and say their presentation is 65,000, you know, whether to give them all that or some of that or none of that. 00:30:59:00 - 00:31:00:01 Speaker 1 Correct. 00:31:00:03 - 00:31:00:21 Speaker 4 Yeah. Okay. 00:31:00:24 - 00:31:24:08 Speaker 1 And perfect. Yeah. So as long as the minimum is fine, that's great. And again, just to, mention what I said before, we probably going to have a phone conversation with both Mark and Dan to get their thoughts on while we're talking today. So at least would get everyone's, input into that. Perfect. So if there are no more questions about, sorry. 00:31:24:08 - 00:31:25:01 Speaker 1 Yeah. Go ahead. 00:31:25:06 - 00:31:58:07 Speaker 3 Okay. Not on the expenditures that you make in the project. For instance, if you have a project to to build something for conservation, you going to have requirements for, procurement, like, well, you know, I don't know. The money is to state money. They're going to be a special requirement for for procuring, those services if we need to procure or just follow a normal standard procurement process. 00:31:58:09 - 00:32:04:03 Speaker 1 Are you talking about procuring the money or, sitting on a recurring. 00:32:04:05 - 00:32:27:04 Speaker 3 Let's say that we need to buy a piece of equipment or some, something to conserve water. So, like, toilets or something like that, and you need to buy those, and, sometimes when there's federal money, you have requirements to solve. Hard to procure those sort of those things. 00:32:27:06 - 00:32:45:01 Speaker 1 Oh, I know what you're saying. Yes. No, we do not have any guidelines or requirements as to how to procure or or purchase those. Yes, but I know of I guess we should check it, but there's never any mention of any. 00:32:45:03 - 00:32:49:18 Speaker 3 So we just follow our processes. 00:32:49:20 - 00:33:12:08 Speaker 1 Yes. Follow your process. And again we reimburse after, what we care about is that whatever was said to be done has actually been implemented. And then we reimburse, the entity for, for whatever task and for whatever money they ask for in the application. 00:33:12:10 - 00:33:26:15 Speaker 2 When you when you say review, will there be somebody that will actually go out on the ground and review the project that just won't be review to the paper process or but there will be somebody going out and actually reviewing the project. 00:33:26:17 - 00:33:52:06 Speaker 1 It's a possibility if we see that there is a need for it, we could do that. Usually what we do is and again, it depends on the project and programs. For example, I can give you an example of some projects and programs that are currently funded with the withdrawal fees and other items. So we have a education program that teaches kids about water conservation and water efficiency. 00:33:52:11 - 00:34:10:04 Speaker 1 So they send us the reports as to how many kids they reached out, how many students, they give us an evaluation of their knowledge before and after those workshops. So we don't necessarily need to go out to the field to see them do it. But we get their report as to how many people they reach that way. 00:34:10:20 - 00:34:46:15 Speaker 1 There is another, programs that help farmers with best management practices and improving irrigation efficiency. So again, they send us reports as to the farmers and the farms that they have visited and what they implemented, or what discussions they had with the farmers, and what was the potential for water savings there. So most of the reports we get our paper or, you know, as, as their report, not necessarily visiting the site, but that's definitely something that we could do if we see that there is a need or a reason to do so. 00:34:46:16 - 00:34:55:13 Speaker 3 Right, right. Okay. Can these projects be a joint project between two different organizations? 00:34:55:15 - 00:35:05:19 Speaker 1 Sure. That's definitely can can happen. 00:35:05:21 - 00:35:13:24 Speaker 1 Excellent. Any other questions or comments? 00:35:14:01 - 00:35:17:17 Speaker 2 No, I don't have any I don't have any. Thank you. 00:35:17:19 - 00:35:19:12 Speaker 4 Thank you. 00:35:19:14 - 00:35:46:12 Speaker 1 Great. So we can move on to agenda item number three which is management plan update. We have Natalie must which is the management plan program manager here with LWR. And she'll take you through, some updates on the resource management plan timeline and the space management plan. Discussion. Thinking of, the good morning, members to the council and, everyone else who's on the call. 00:35:46:21 - 00:36:12:13 Speaker 1 My name is Natalie Mast. I am the, program manager working on the management plans here at 88. Are, I'm going to talk through, some timelines, both for the fourth and fifth management plans today. And I would be happy to, take any questions that you might have. At the end of the presentation, so quick background. 00:36:14:05 - 00:36:48:24 Speaker 1 Are is actively working to complete, the three remaining fourth management plans for, Phoenix, Pinal and the Santa Cruz active management areas. And at the same time, we are also working to begin the research and stakeholder outreach, that will be required for the fifth management plans, through the work of the management plans, work group, starting in July, we've been working with stakeholders on, both of these concurrent processes. 00:36:50:09 - 00:37:23:16 Speaker 1 So in July, we, published an updated fourth management plan, draft for the Phoenix Active Management Area and also established, the Management Plans work group and started having meetings there. So, we are, we are intending to begin promulgation of the Phoenix Force Management Plan in January. After that, we will be working through that process for the personnel active management area. 00:37:23:18 - 00:37:34:11 Speaker 1 And after that will be Santa Cruz. So, for the Santa Cruz. Sorry. Go ahead. Did someone have a question? 00:37:34:13 - 00:37:36:02 Speaker 4 I don't think so. 00:37:36:04 - 00:38:18:06 Speaker 1 Okay. So for the Santa Cruz sports management plan, we are hoping to have a draft of that management plan available, for discussion, in late spring. So, kind of the general process there is that we publish a draft plan, kind of for discussion purposes, we work with both the GAC and with, local stakeholders to, make sure the that everyone is understanding that, any changes associated with the plan and also that it's kind of workable for that given active management area. 00:38:18:08 - 00:38:51:12 Speaker 1 We, incorporate the comments that we receive and any refinements into an updated draft that gets published. And, after that point and after additional discussions with the GAC, we would take the, management plan into the formal adoption process, which involves a, notice in process and a public hearing. So, again, our goal is to have that initial draft for the, Santa Cruz Active Management area, force management plan available. 00:38:52:04 - 00:39:25:01 Speaker 1 In late spring. And, we are hoping to finalize the adoption for those remaining three fourths management plans by the end of next year. That legal adoption process that I mentioned is extensive and also does, incorporate a public comment period. So there are multiple opportunities throughout this process for both the GRC and for the public to be involved in to comment on the proposed plans. 00:39:25:19 - 00:39:58:09 Speaker 1 And, something to note here, if you look kind of on the right side of this, management plan, promulgation timeline, you can see that, the conservation programs associated with each plan go into effect no sooner than two years after the plan is adopted, so that means that, for these plans that will be adopted, in 2020, the conservation programs in those plans will go into effect on January 1st, 2023. 00:39:58:20 - 00:40:27:13 Speaker 1 For the fifth management plans, we are still kind of in the early stages of that process. We are working through data analysis, analysis of the existing programs and will, hopefully be moving into kind of the policy and program development side of those conversations in the very near future. We do intend to largely wrap up the work, that will be occurring under that work group by the end of next year. 00:40:28:01 - 00:41:00:18 Speaker 1 And then we intend to take 2021 to draft those five fifth management plans, and then use 2023 to adopt those five plans. So the conservation programs, again, with that two year lag, the conservation programs under the fifth management plans would be effective on January 1st, 2025. Under this timeline, we are holding our next meeting of the Management Plans work group next week on, December 4th. 00:41:00:18 - 00:41:29:02 Speaker 1 It is at 2 p.m. here at eight R and that is available via webinar. We are hosting the webinar or we did already posted the webinar information, on our public meetings page on, on our website. Or you can get that information, by reaching out to us at management plans. At easy water.gop. And that's all I have today. 00:41:29:02 - 00:41:35:02 Speaker 1 So I would gladly, take any questions. And thank you. I appreciate your time and attention today. 00:41:37:13 - 00:41:54:21 Speaker 3 I have a question. Sure. Well, a dirty for any conversation. What's going to happen after the CIP management plan, but, the I know they start. You, had that goals, but, what's going to happen? Yeah. 00:41:54:23 - 00:42:22:10 Speaker 1 Sure. That's a that's a great question. So under the governor's water augmentation Innovation and Conservation Council, which is actually meeting next week on December 3rd, on Tuesday. So they have created a committee that is focused on inside the active management areas after 2025. So you're absolutely right that the statutes only laid out those first five management plans. 00:42:22:10 - 00:42:51:01 Speaker 1 And it's kind of unclear after that, what should happen. So that group will be talking about exactly that. Whether there should be a six management plan or whether some other structure should come into place at that point. We, the way we have read the, management plan statutes is that each management plan remains in effect until something comes in its place. 00:42:51:03 - 00:43:10:12 Speaker 1 So where the kind of the third management plan is still in effect in the Santa Cruz active management area until the fourth management plan becomes effective. The same goes for the fifth management plan, where the fifth management plan would remain in effect until something came in and took its place. 00:43:10:14 - 00:43:12:18 Speaker 3 Thank you. 00:43:12:20 - 00:43:38:13 Speaker 1 In the other hand, you know, we're trying to, to the best of our ability. When I remember, I try to forward those invites to the meetings. They're also always posted on the, website, on our website, on their public meetings. But I do try and, or at least to forward all of the AMA post 2025 committee meetings to all GC members and interested parties. 00:43:38:13 - 00:43:58:14 Speaker 1 So at least you should be receiving those, dates of those meetings. And and I should clarify, this is Natalie again. The next, meeting date for that post 2025 group is December 9th, Monday, December 9th at 2 p.m. and that is also available via webinar. 00:43:58:16 - 00:44:00:08 Speaker 3 Thank you. 00:44:00:10 - 00:44:22:24 Speaker 1 And maybe another thing to mention is that the previous meeting, there was actually one previous meeting. The inaugural meeting was, October 10th and it is posted the webinar is posted on the Governor's Water Augmentation, Innovation and Conservation Council web page. So if you wanted to, you could listening to that meeting, at your spare time. 00:44:23:01 - 00:44:25:23 Speaker 3 But you. 00:44:26:00 - 00:44:37:17 Speaker 1 Excellent. Are there any other questions for Natalie about the management plan? Either the forest management plan draft or the fifth management plan? 00:44:37:19 - 00:44:38:22 Speaker 3 Right. No, I don't know. 00:44:38:22 - 00:45:09:18 Speaker 1 Hearing none. Thanks, Ron. So, hearing on, we're going to move to, agenda item number four, which is area director report. And I'll start by talking about the withdrawal fee rates for calendar year 2020. So you have on on the webinar the, past five years of withdrawal fee rates within the Santa Cruz Army. I'm not going to go through the numbers. 00:45:09:21 - 00:45:31:20 Speaker 1 And, Ron, you probably, actually don't know that we send that to you. But what it's something that we shared with you last meeting. What I do want to mention is, and you may remember that last meeting. Jewish team members recommended to maintain the, withdrawal fees for $2,023, as they were said in the past five years. 00:45:32:01 - 00:46:07:09 Speaker 1 So I just wanted to let you know that the director, did accept your commendation and said the 2020 withdrawal fees, it's $3 with, $2 levied towards the water management assistant program and $1, levied towards the administration and enforcement fund. So this is in the first sheet, and then just in the bottom, I just wanted to let you know that the current balance that we have within the Santa Cruz Army Water Management Assistance Program fund that is collected through the withdrawal fees, is $290,000 and 77. 00:46:08:02 - 00:46:38:17 Speaker 1 So this fund is in addition to the 150,000 that, is related to the grants. So just so, you know, these are two different, monies that could be used for, for the water Management Assistance program projects and programs. The other page that you may, that Kennedy is not going to move to, and again, Ron, we could, email it to you directly. 00:46:38:21 - 00:46:47:22 Speaker 1 It just breaks down the past the, all the withdrawal fees for 2020 for the five different AMA's. So just for reference. 00:46:47:24 - 00:46:50:23 Speaker 2 You know, that's not necessary for me. 00:46:51:00 - 00:47:09:19 Speaker 1 Okay. Thank you for that. So that sums up the the first, the first, part of my report. Do you have any questions on withdrawal fee rates or anything else? The Water Management Assistance Program. 00:47:09:21 - 00:47:12:20 Speaker 3 None. No, none for me. 00:47:12:22 - 00:47:40:09 Speaker 1 Next one. Thank you. So moving on to the governor. Water augmentation, innovation and conservation Council Army post 2025 Committee Update Natalie answered a little bit about that or talked a little bit about that. I can just really briefly or maybe in a little more details, talk about the committee and how that first meeting took place. But as I mentioned, it is available via webinar if you want to get more, details. 00:47:40:09 - 00:48:13:06 Speaker 1 So starting with the co-chairs of this committee, there are two co-chairs. One of them is Mr. Tom year, who is a governor, water council and Tucson GC member. The other culture is Warren Tenney, who is also a governor, water council member, and Arizona municipal water User Association director. The goal of the committee is to identify water management challenges facing the active management areas and generate some strategic solutions for 2025 and beyond. 00:48:13:11 - 00:48:42:01 Speaker 1 For the five AMS, this approach involves, two things. One, to reflect on the past 40 years of water management in the active management areas, while identifying also some of today's problems and challenges, and two, to propose solutions and strategies for addressing those challenges after 2025. To accomplish these two tasks, the committee will compile a list of challenges, categorize and refine them. 00:48:42:03 - 00:49:14:17 Speaker 1 Then, it will be followed by an analysis and prioritization process of all of those, challenges that were identified. The committee will then present a finding to the full governor's Water Council for review and comments. And the target date for the specific presentation, to the council is December of 2020. So they'll have about a year to compile a list of all the challenges, that the committee perceives, the Army may encounter as we move beyond 2025. 00:49:15:02 - 00:50:00:17 Speaker 1 After that presentation in 2020, work will begin to develop some of those solutions and strategies to address those prioritized issues that were identified. The previous year. As I mentioned, the first meeting took place in October 1st. And that meeting focused on laying the groundwork for the committee's activities in the next couple of years. The meeting included a presentation by our staff, including not only here, regarding the successes of the groundwater management Act and some of the impacts of positive impacts that Arizona water management policies have had in the past 40 years, then committee members and participants were asked to start identifying some of the challenges facing the AMA's. 00:50:01:00 - 00:50:29:09 Speaker 1 There are many good topics that were brought up. But this is just the beginning of the discussion. So, this discussion will continue in the next few meetings. Again, there is another one coming up in, December 9th. Another thing to point out is the membership for this committee is open to any one who's interested in participating and have, a stake in what happened in the active management area beyond 2025. 00:50:29:09 - 00:50:53:10 Speaker 1 Obviously, as Jerry, some members and as public who participated in these meetings, we all are interested in assuring, that the active management area continue to have good water management policies and programs in place. So we really do encourage you to to participate, even if you're just listening via webinar. I know you, live quite far away to participate in person. 00:50:53:14 - 00:51:14:16 Speaker 1 We always are happy to have you join us here in the department. But please do take some time, if you can, to, listening to the webinar to provide your comments, your thoughts. And, yeah, we'll be happy to provide you again with any updates that come up from these meetings in the, next GC meetings. Okay, okay. 00:51:14:18 - 00:51:30:15 Speaker 1 And I can take any questions about this topic if you have, and again encourage you to look into the previous meeting, if you wanted to get more details, and listen to the recordings. 00:51:30:17 - 00:51:33:06 Speaker 4 Nothing for me. 00:51:33:08 - 00:51:35:04 Speaker 3 Nothing here. 00:51:35:06 - 00:52:00:16 Speaker 1 Perfect. So moving on to the third and last item that we have under the area Director report has been our model release. You may have heard lately in the media about water challenges in Pinal County, so I just wanted to briefly provide some context to these, reports that you may or may not have heard, some of these reports emerge mainly because of several recent activities in the penal area. 00:52:00:16 - 00:52:31:16 Speaker 1 And the AMA, including eight are releasing the 2019 updated Pinal model. A few weeks ago, it was somewhere, in October, and this model projected unmet water demands in the finale. Yuma in the next hundred years. So I just wanted to give you some background to the Pinal updated model release. Prior to 2013, assured water supply applicants submitted analytical and local numerical models. 00:52:31:18 - 00:53:00:00 Speaker 1 Then in 2014, I completed a regional numerical groundwater model for the finale. Yuma, which was developed to be used for many purposes, including the Assured Water Supply Program. And just to understand some of the differences between the analytical and numerical models, I'll just use our two hydrologist analogy describing the two, or the difference between the two as using a rotary dial phone and a smartphone. 00:53:00:00 - 00:53:32:09 Speaker 1 So, you can see the differences in the way that they are, functioning. Then in 2019, again in October of this year, I completed an updated numerical model and applied a 100 year assured water supply projection to that model. That 2019 model projected a total demand of of 81 million acre feet in the next 100 years, but it could only simulated the 73 million acres or so, leaving about 8 million acres of unmet demand. 00:53:32:11 - 00:54:00:08 Speaker 1 So this is, the unmet demand that we mentioned that, face the penalty. I mean, the next 100 years, a new pinnacle local stakeholder group was just formed to start discussing ways in which water users in the finale may, may address these unmet demands. And if you are interested in this topic, you may want to tune in to the meetings of, the House ad Hoc Committee on Groundwater Supply in Pinal County. 00:54:00:18 - 00:54:33:13 Speaker 1 And also the stakeholder group would also have their meetings starting very soon. And these meetings are open to the public. And I know that specifically the House ad hoc committee meeting is recorded. I'm not sure about the stakeholder group, but it's possible. And the ad hoc committee meeting is found on the Pinal County website. So again, just wanted to give you a brief overview, as to what you may hear in the media about water resources challenges in Pinal County. 00:54:33:15 - 00:54:41:19 Speaker 1 And I can either take questions about this or that would sum up my, my report to you. 00:54:41:21 - 00:54:44:00 Speaker 4 Thank you very much. 00:54:45:10 - 00:54:49:00 Speaker 2 So the slide is your summary. Thank you. 00:54:49:02 - 00:55:13:04 Speaker 1 Excellent. So given, we don't have the chair here to, to take us through the other agenda items. Is there anything that you, as the council would like to to talk about or bring up? 00:55:13:06 - 00:55:15:10 Speaker 4 Not yet. 00:55:15:12 - 00:55:22:18 Speaker 2 Other than how companies can share some of their rainwater with us. You guys can. 00:55:22:20 - 00:55:28:02 Speaker 1 Yeah, we did get some nice, nice storm the past week here. 00:55:29:05 - 00:55:31:11 Speaker 2 Too much. 00:55:31:13 - 00:55:33:11 Speaker 1 So there's never too much. 00:55:33:13 - 00:55:35:12 Speaker 3 More to focus on. That's true. 00:55:35:14 - 00:55:40:12 Speaker 1 That's true that in Arizona, at least, I'm sure in the East that would disagree with me. 00:55:40:14 - 00:55:42:07 Speaker 3 Yeah. 00:55:42:09 - 00:55:46:11 Speaker 2 I don't know of anything of mine that I've gotten my mind. 00:55:46:13 - 00:55:47:02 Speaker 1 Okay. 00:55:47:04 - 00:55:49:00 Speaker 2 You. 00:55:49:02 - 00:55:52:03 Speaker 1 Gary, did you have anything you'd like to share? 00:55:52:05 - 00:56:01:18 Speaker 4 No. I think, I think this is this has been very good. Thank you. I did, I well, talking about that when we get to item number seven. 00:56:01:20 - 00:56:10:18 Speaker 1 Excellent. So moving on to call to the public, is anyone from the public have any comments or would like to share anything with us? 00:56:10:20 - 00:56:15:07 Speaker 3 Not here. 00:56:15:09 - 00:56:25:24 Speaker 1 Okay, great. So moving on to number seven feature agenda item. The next meeting date. Gary, did you want to mention anything? 00:56:26:07 - 00:56:46:03 Speaker 4 Point I was going to make, there is simply obviously we don't have the other two members here, so maybe what you've done before of of providing us with a number of dates that, you know, that work from the department standpoint, letting us pick one, because I think anything we decide today is most likely not going to fit for our other two members. 00:56:46:05 - 00:57:13:18 Speaker 1 Yes, I would tend to agree that it will be difficult. And, and also, I'll just share with you that I think we probably our next meeting should be somewhere, maybe towards February, maybe even March of next year. So it may be hard for us to, to know what time we're available at that time. But hopefully by then we'll have a number of projects that we received for the grant. 00:57:13:18 - 00:57:21:00 Speaker 1 So we can get better information and have better discussions on how we would like to go through the evaluation process. 00:57:21:02 - 00:57:22:24 Speaker 4 Okay. 00:57:23:01 - 00:57:24:13 Speaker 1 That sounds good. 00:57:24:15 - 00:57:25:15 Speaker 3 Yeah. 00:57:25:17 - 00:57:26:10 Speaker 4 You bet. 00:57:26:12 - 00:57:53:15 Speaker 1 Excellent. And then obviously for future agenda items will definitely keep on talking about the, the grant cycle and the projects that we received. As I mentioned, we can also, by then we may have a little more information or more details on the timeline for the, draft Santa Cruz management plan, if we do, will have, an update on that and, other based management plan discussions. 00:57:54:00 - 00:58:00:04 Speaker 1 Is there any other agenda items that you are interested in? Hey. 00:58:00:06 - 00:58:02:04 Speaker 4 Nothing on mind. Thank you. 00:58:02:06 - 00:58:03:06 Speaker 3 You know. 00:58:03:06 - 00:58:12:01 Speaker 2 And I think if we continue the project yet, it'll take a good amount of time. So I think that should be enough. 00:58:12:03 - 00:58:24:07 Speaker 1 Excellent. Great. So if there are no other topics to discuss, I guess we can adjourn the meeting today. 00:58:24:09 - 00:58:25:07 Speaker 2 There you go. 00:58:25:09 - 00:58:28:06 Speaker 4 Thank you all very much for your efforts. 00:58:28:08 - 00:58:28:11 Speaker 2 Know. 00:58:28:12 - 00:58:34:08 Speaker 1 Thank you. Thank you for calling in there with the technology. 00:58:34:10 - 00:58:37:02 Speaker 3 Yeah. Thank you. Yeah. 00:58:37:03 - 00:58:43:19 Speaker 2 Thank you to this meeting is going to get you home early. This time is tonight. 00:58:43:21 - 00:58:46:09 Speaker 4 It's giving to everybody. 00:58:46:11 - 00:58:53:03 Speaker 1 Six hours of driving. Thanks, everyone. Happy Thanksgiving and. 00:58:53:05 - 00:58:55:24 Speaker 3 All right. 00:58:56:01 - 00:58:59:03 Speaker 1 Bye, everyone. Thanks again.