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Alright, good afternoon, everybody. Welcome to the 1st meeting of, the Willhax AMA. We are here today to talk a little bit about background of what an AMA is, provide some information.

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And also to talk about a management goal for this active management area. My name is Natalie Mast. I'm the active management areas director. My responsibility includes all of the active management areas and irrigation non expansion areas across the state. I've got a number of additional staff here.

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With me today. We've got Lucas Bennett down at the end, who is our deputy council, Doug mccackern over here who is in our public information office. Aaron Stally is at the back table. Thank you, Aaron, for being here. Aaron is a part of our field services team.

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And Dennis Troubtman in the black here is our outreach coordinator. Madison Maureeno is our establishment coordinator, and Casey Allman is our establishment team supervisor. I wanted to make sure to.

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Introduce all these folks to you because particularly Casey and Madison and Dennis are gonna be the folks that you see down here for every single meeting. These are your 1st line of contact the folks that are going to be developing expertise in these regulations and helping.

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Bringing you all as you learn what these regulations mean for this area and helping you through the process of applications for grandfathered rights and helping develop some of the conservation requirements that go along with the management plans in these requirements.

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I hope the fact that we have folks here today that we've come down here is a show of how important it is to us to be hearing from you all. My history at the department is that I started back at, back in 2016.

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Working on the coachese planning area, holding meetings in this building in 2016 and 2017. This is an area that I've been learning about for a long time, but even in all those years I know that I'm never gonna be able to know this area the way that you all do. And so we're.

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Really here to hear from you all and learn from you all and get input from you all as we work together to develop some of these conservation requirements and develop a management goal and work through this process of establishing this AMA. So with that we'll do.

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A little bit of logistics and I will hand it off to Casey and Madison to walk through some background information. Dennis, if you could go to the next slide, please.

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Alright, so I mentioned a little bit of what we'll be covering today. Casey will be providing an overview of, Casey and Madison excuse me, will be providing an overview of what AMA is, some of the requirements that are included in an AMA, and we'll begin a discussion of.

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The management goal for the Wilcox AMA. What I want to say about that management goal from the outset is that this is a start and we're here today to hear additional input from you all, hear ideas from you all, and we'll have additional meetings after today to continue developing that proposed management goal.

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We will have time for additional discussion and Q and A at the end, so, we'll make sure that we have plenty of time for that. I will say that we do, sorry, oh, go back one.

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Thank you Dennis. We are providing today's presentation for informational purposes. There is a lot of detail that goes into an active management area and ADWR as a state agency is not able to provide legal advice for folks.

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So we wanna meet be making sure that we are being really clear about that, that this is not intended as legal advice, and if you have specific questions about your specific circumstances, you should consult with an attorney on those questions.

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Next, thank you. I did mention already that we have Q time for Q and A at the end. We do ask that folks remain respectful. We understand that this is a difficult issue, that there's a lot of confusion and a lot of learning and a lot of additional information that.

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That you all are gonna have to absorb and we're gonna do our best to work through that with you all. It's gonna take some time, but I want to make sure that we're being able to be respectful and get that information across as well as we can.

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We do also have a webinar portion of this meeting today, so we will ask folks with questions and comments to come up to the podium and speak into the microphone so that our participants on the webinar are able to hear. We do have this room reserved until six.

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SPM so as we're working through those questions and comments, we may ask folks to limit that time on those questions and comments as we work through those.

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And with that, oh, one last thing before I move on, we have an absolutely enormous amount of information available on our website. There is a lot of information available out to you all, available out there to you all on our website through these types of meetings. We hope.

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Through these meetings to be unpacking some of that information, but for those of you who would like some additional detail or technical information or that type of thing, additional references, there is an enormous amount of that available on our website. This presentation with all of these links will be posted on our website probably.

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Tomorrow or so, thanks Yes Dennis is nodding at me, so we we will have these presentations posted to our website very promptly after these meetings. So with that, I will go ahead and hand things off to Casey and Madison for some background information.

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Thank you.

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Alright, good afternoon, everybody. Like Natalie mentioned, my name is the AMA establishment supervisor. You'll be seeing a lot of my face and my team's faces down here while we get to know y'all and help you through this complex new AMA. So Dennis.

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Thank you. 1st I wanted to go over some general background information about AMAs, talk to you a bit about the different application types that are available to you, as well as some nuances like wells and things like that. So, starting off with the Groundwater Management Act of 1980, that's what formed the Arizona Department of Water Resources.

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It created new regulations statewide for the use of groundwater, most of the most of those regulations are within AMAs or active management areas and InAs irrigation non expansion areas.

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It also created the 1st AMAs and InAs in the state and authorizes the establishment of new AMAs and InAs by director designation. Next slide please. This is a general regulatory structure, and it kind of starts at the statewide level, so NO matter what, even if you're not an AMA.

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For an INA. There's some things that folks have to comply with, like registration of all wells, proof of an adequate water supply and community water systems, and then from there the regulations kind of build on each other. So an INA is kind of the middle step, it stops the expansion of irrigated acres, so those.

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Those are prohibited once an INA is created, and it also creates rules for measuring and reporting of water use.

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And then after that, there's an AMA. So the AMA encompasses all of those things that I mentioned, it also includes assured water supply, management goals, plans, and conservation programs, grandfathered rights and withdrawal permits, and then things like lake bills, transportation, well spacing, and other small nuances as well.

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This slide here just kind of shows you all the different AMAs and InAs throughout the state. There are seven AMAs including the newly designated Wilcox AMA and three InAs as well. Next slide please.

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This is the map of the new Wilcox AMA. It's the 1st subsequent AMA to be established by a director decision and it was established on 8 January 2025. It is located in both Kuchese and Graham County.

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And County is a little different than Graham. It has mandatory adequacy as well. That'll be explained a little bit later. Alright, so what is an active management area? Next slide. Thank you.

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So there's a few definitions that are important to know with an AMA. A big one is the definition of irrigation. So irrigation from our perspective is the application of water to two or more acres to grow plants or parts of plants for sale or human consumption.

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So it's if you're growing like a small little bed of flowers in front of your house, that's not technically considered irrigation, it's two or more acres that are gonna be something that you would want to apply for a, a right for. Based on lawful withdrawals in the.

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In the last five years from the the date in which we initiated the procedures for this AMA establishment, which was 23 October 2024. We have exempt wells and non exempt wells, which I'll get into in a lot more detail in a, in a future slide here.

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And then something also to know is what an acre foot is. That's what all the measurements are done with annual reports and such, and it equals out to be 325851 gallons of water in one acre foot.

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Alright, so prohibition on expansion of irrigated acres. What that means is once the proceedings to consider establishing the AMA were initiated on 23 October, there was a prohibition put in place on the irrigation of any acres not legally irrigated within the five years proceeding that date.

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So that five year time period is gonna be 23 October 2019 to 23 October 2024. Because the AMA was established, that prohibition now remains in effect permanently. In addition, that time frame comes into play with grandfather rights applications, so you'll be seeing that date a lot.

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Next slide, please. Next we're gonna go over some characteristics in initial AMAs and then subsequent AMAs. So the initial AMAs were established with the ground water Management Act in 1980A lot of the same things here, so prohibition on expand.

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And.

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Management goal, management plans, things like that nature. Next slide please. And a subsequent AMA, all of these characteristics are basically the same except that withdrawal fees aren't permitted in subsequent AMAs, so that's not something that has to be worried.

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About and then the management goal is something that we actually get the craft with you. So in those initial AMAs that was put into the code and is.

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Part of part of statue there, but we're able to come here and, learn from you and work with you and tailor a management goal that really works for this basin. Next slide please. Alright, so who is allowed to use groundwater? This is a, a big slide here. I will try to break it down for.

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If you have a well with a maximum pump capacity of 35 gallons per minute or less, that's considered an exempt well, and you can generally withdraw water or groundwater without having a right or permit. Non exempt wells are wells with a maximum pump pump capacity of 35 gallons per minute or greater.

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So you may withdraw groundwater from these wells only if the person holds a right or permit to withdraw that groundwater. Any person you're getting two or more acres or using ten or more acre feet for any non irrigation use must file an application for a grandfathered right.

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Or obtain a with all authority. 8 April 2026 is the deadline for applications. If you do not apply, it will result in the waiver and relinguishment of any right to use ground water for those purposes. You're gonna be seeing this deadline across a lot of our slides here today.

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Very important deadline. Next slide please. This is just this slide here, just a good overview of what an exempt well is and what a non exempt well is, kind of what I just talked about. So the pump capacity limits are really important.

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With this kind of thing. It's like alright so as far as well spection requirements for non exempt wells in AMAs, new non exempt wells will need to have a well impact analysis done. It won't be approved for drilling if the proposed well would cause any kind of damaged.

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The surrounding area or affect the water quality, anything like that.

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More info about that can be found on our website and like Natalie said this presentation will be posted online tomorrow. It has the link in it and we also have a a great Wells department and our departments and AMA department that will be happy to help you if you just give us a call or send us an email.

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Next slide please. Thanks. Method.

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Yeah.

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An approved measuring device must be installed on all non exempt wells by 31 March of this year with the 1st annual report of water usage due on 31 March of 2026. After that they're due yearly on 31 March as well, so same date every year.

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If you have an exempt well, 35 gallons or less for a non irrigation use, you're generally not required to measure and report groundwater withdrawals. Next slide. So the Woolcox Amay was established formally on 8 January 2025.

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Again, just kind of reiterating some things because they're so important and subsequent AMAs only lands that have been irrigated within the five year time frame of 23 October 2019 to 23 October 2024, can be legally irrigated.

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Acres that weren't irrigated in that timeframe may also be considered irrigated if substantial capital investment has been made to the lands in that same time frame, and the next slide has some more information about SCI.

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So SCI is a very fact specific.

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Determination ADWR can't make specific recommendations for individual circumstances, but if you're a property owner and you believe that you've invested into your property to bring it into irrigation, within the last five years, you're more than welcome to submit a grandfathered right application with the SCI attachment included with.

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Again, it's the same time period of 23 October 2019 to 20 23 October 2024. Next slide please. Alright, so there's a few different types of grandfather rights that you can apply for and again you can see on this slide.

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The main one that we see people applying for is just a normal irrigation grandfathered right, it allows the holder to irrigate acres of land that were irrigated in the five years preceding the notice of the initiation of the designation designation procedures.

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This type of right is also tied specifically to that plot of land, so it can't be moved to another plot of land in the basin. There are also type one non irrigation grandfathered rights. They're created from the permanent retirement of an IGFR and maybe used for non irrigation purposes.

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There's a maximum of three acre feet per acre, but maybe less. And then there is a type two non irrigation grandfather right that can be used for non irrigation purposes based on non irrigation pumping in the five years preceding the notice of initiation of designation procedures.

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A type two is flexible, it maybe sold separately from the land. It may not be divided, but a portion maybe leased and it maybe used anywhere within the Wilcox AMA. Next slide. Alright, this is just another slide to reiterate that deadline for the.

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For the application, so 8 April 2026, very important. Put it in your calendars.

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We are here to help you. We're going to be down here multiple times in the coming year to have application workshops and, kind of help, help to walk you through the application, answer any questions you may have. Have a great team for that. So we look forward to being down here for for more of that and helping you folks out.

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Alright, a little bit about groundwater withdrawal permits because I mentioned having a groundfather write or a withdrawal permit. So, some examples here with of withdrawal permits would be like hydrologic testing permits, poor quality groun.

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On water permits, temporary electrical energy generation permits, mineral extraction permits, draining and dewatering permits in general industrial use permits. So there's some options there as well.

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Alright, a little bit about service area rights. A service area right is the right of a city, town or private water provider or company district to withdraw groundwater for delivery to customers within its service area, and this right expands as a service area expands.

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There are also applications for that online.

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Talking a bit about adequate water supply versus assured water supply. Coachese and Graham Counties are broadly subject to the adequate water supply program. The AMA is now subject to the assured water supply supply program. A developer of a proposed subdivision must obtain from ADWR.

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A report on the water supply for a hundred years.

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Coachese County has adopted its own ordinance requiring an adequate water supply in order to get plat approval. This is referred to as mandatory adequacy. Outside ama's groundwater is physically available only if it is available above 1200 ft below the land's surface.

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Next slide. As far as assured water supply goes, Wilcox AMA is now subject to assured water supply, now that it's an AMA. Our physical legal and continuous availability for 100 years.

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Financial capability and water quality as well. Speaking about the management plan, I'm gonna establishment.

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Coordinator.

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Thank you. Thank you, Casey. My, again, my name is Madison Marino. I am the AMA establishments coordinator. I'm really glad to see all of you here today. I will be going over a little bit of background about the management plan and going over the management goal. For.

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Okay.

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Can you hear me? There we go. We needed to turn it up. Again, my name is Madison Marino. I am the AMA establishments coordinator. Thank you all for being here today. I am going to be going over the management plan background and the management goal section of the presentation. So 1st off, what is a.

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Management plan. Management plans are written for each management area and are used as a regulatory tool to reflect the evolution of the groundwater Management Act.

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Next slide, please. So management plans for the initial AMAs, the main overarching goal for management plans are that they're designed to achieve reductions in withdrawals of ground water.

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That's the biggest point that we're trying to get across is that we're we're designing these, these plans to achieve reductions in withdrawals of groundwater. Statute for the initial AMAs kind of outlines these plans to.

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Have, conservation programs that are a little more structured for the initial AMAs where we don't really have a lot of leniency to create new programs. We have some leniency to adapt and create new programs, but not a whole lot.

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Next slide, please. For subsequent AMAs, little different. This is a pretty pretty big slide, but the biggest chunk that we wanna focus on here is that.

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We want to include that we are following as closely as practical to the program set forth in the sections of the initial management plans. That means that we have flexibility of creating programs.

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That work for you all. These programs that we can create brand new and are flexible to today, to what is adaptable.

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And progressive for what is working in today's world, not something that we created in 1980 in statute. Next slide please.

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Yeah. This next slide shows the conservation programs that we have in the initial AMAs. Again, statute is that we want to achieve reductions in withdrawals of groundwater. The core, I like to call it the meat part of the management plan, is.

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It's the agricultural municipal and industrial sections of the management plan. So we have the base program, the historic cropping program, the best management practices program and the integrated program. The base program is required by statute.

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Which is water duties and allotments, which is most what most people are accustomed to when we hear this. The historic cropping program, which NO one has ever opted into and is required by statute in the initial AMAs.

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To have in the management plan. The best management practices program came in statute later on, was not involved in the 1st management plan and the integrated farm program is not in statute, but was created later on in the 5th management plans.

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The municipal chapters, the GPCD program and the, the GPC GPCD program, excuse me, is a gallons per capita per day calculation that we use as a metric for.

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Municipal providers and the non per capita per day program is the best management practices program. The industrial chapter, we have general requirements and we also have specific subsector programs like turf for golf courses and.

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And feed lots and diaries. These conservation programs include regulatory requirements related to water use, reporting requirements for annual reporting, conservation targets.

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Flexibility provisions and compliance. Next slide, please. I wanted to cover the conservation programs that we created it down in for the Douglas AMA for the 1st subsequent AMA.

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We had the ability to create new conservation programs that had never been seen in the initial AMAs before. So for the agricultural conservation programs, we kept the base program, we.

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Which is allotments. However, we were able to create a tiered system that was not seen in the initial AMAs for irrigation efficiencies based off of acreage. So based off of a certain farm size, we were able to adjust irrigation efficient.

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Urgency percentages which is a, we know not in reality of what it actually is. It's more of used as a regulatory tool to be used in a calculation. That was seen different than the initial AMAs, and we were able to be flexible with that.

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In in the development of the plan. We were also able to include the integrated farm program, which was not something that was included in the 1st management plans across the initial AMAs.

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For the municipal program, we created a brand new program called the Integrated Water Resource Plan, which is a scenario planning program where we're looking at demand, and how was that.

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Supply going to grow with raising demand, and where is it going to come from? With that, we got rid of those two programs that exist in the initial amaze. It doesn't work for what worked for Douglas.

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So, we worked with the stakeholders down there and were able to figure something new. For the industrial sector, we were able to, kind of adjust and create conservation plans for all.

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Programs across the board. But a lot of the things kind of stayed the same with regulatory requirements and reporting requirements staying across the board. Conservation targets and flexibility provisions staying and compliance provisions.

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Again, I'd like to reiterate that we're here to develop and adapt new programs that we want to tailor to the Wilcox Basin and we want to create those programs for.

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The meat of the plan, agricultural, municipal, and industrial. Slide please. Here are some important dates just to remind ourselves and kind of going in the flow of the progress of how.

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The plan will flow. So a reminder that the five year eligibility period for grandfather write applications is 23 October 2019 through 23 October 2024. The establishment of the AMA.

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Is that 8 January 2025, which is important to remember because the 15 month period of applications which puts the deadline for grandfathered right applications at 8 April 2026. Again, if you do not submit your application by 8 April 2026.

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You wave and relinquish your right to use groundwater.

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By 8 January 2027, that is the estimated adoption of the Wilcox and A 1st management plan. Two years after the estimated adoption, two years after the adoption of the plan, is the estimated effective date of the conservation.

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Requirements of the 1st management plan.

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It's a long process, but we're here to work through it. We're here to help you through it, and we're here along for the ride. We're here for anything that you need, during the application process, during the management plan process.

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We want to work with you and make this process as smooth as possible. It's, it's going to be a long time that 2029 is the far away as we think, but we wanna make this process as, as easy as we can.

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So next slide please. Oh. Alright, I will now be going into a little bit more background about the management goal for the initial AMAs and subsequent AMAs.

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Alright, management goals for the initial AMAs, again as Casey mentioned earlier, were created with the Groundwater Management Act in 1980 and are written in statute.

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The Prescuit Phoenix and Tucson AMAs are stay field by 2025, which means that we are, we are putting as much water back into the aquifer as we're.

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Pulling out. We did miss that target of 2025. However, we're working towards meeting that target continuously and maintaining the goal of safe Field. Just because we missed that target doesn't mean that's still not a goal to continue on.

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The penal goal is to allow the development of non irrigation uses and to preserve existing agricultural economies in the AMA for as long as feasible, consistent with the necessity to preserve future water supplies for non irrigation uses. Santa Cruz is also safe field.

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To maintain safe yield conditions in the AMA and to prevent local water tables from experiencing long term declines.

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The Douglas AMA goal, we were able to create collaborate with stakeholders down the in the Douglas basin and create that goal with them by creating a timeline and what works best for them.

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The goal of the Douglas AMA is to support the general economy and welfare of the water users in the basin by reducing the rate of awkwifer depletion by an amount established in the 1st management plan and by additional reductions established a neat subsequent management plan every ten years thereafter. That amount.

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Now established in the management plan is 640 acre feet annually for a total of.

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6400 acre feet over the ten year period. Reminder, today's meeting is just the beginning process of the of developing the goal.

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We are here to collaborate. We want to have a discussion, we want to.

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This is, this is just a 1st step. We want to have multiple discussions, we wanna have more meetings, we wanna make this, this goal work for everybody and, and make it as adaptable as possible.

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So we will be taking additional comments after today's meeting, so you can submit your written any written comments to the management plans email. It is that management plans at AZ water.gov. And the deadline to submit those written comments is 31 January.

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I'm gonna go over a little bit of the framework of how we developed a management goal template. So we have three components. It's the goal, objective, and a timeline. So.

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The goal is generally broad, it's long term, and it's really the desired outcome. All of us have these long term goals that we all want to all want to achieve. The objective, it's specific. It's.

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It has to be measurable. We have to figure out how we're going to see that goal be achieved. And a timeline, when, when are we going to achieve it? It's all like our New year's resolutions by when, when are we gonna see those results?

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So the basic principles of the goal is that we need to move the AMA towards long term water sustainability.

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It could either be with criteria moving water resource management, decreased outflows and increase in flows, with increased recharge, things like that. Reduce withdrawals of ground water, it should be measurable and contain an evaluation criteria.

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And it must provide a timeline in which to achieve that goal, and it must be achievable. We must, you know, keep, keep it in the ballpark, and it must be legal and reasonable and defensible. We wanna be at least reasonable in in our goal and.

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And be attainable at some, at some capacity. Next slide please. Here are some examples of initial ideas for the goal, objective and timeline that we have. So some examples could be and extend the life of the office.

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Prefer by reducing overdraft by a certain percentage in each management period through the reduction of withdrawals of groundwater by each water youth sector and through increasing the rate of recharge to encourage economic growth while also reducing rate of awkwater depletion and subsidance. Preserve assist.

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Sustainable supply of ground water while fostering economic growth and to reduce the effects of subsidance and fishers within the AMA.

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Some ideas for timeline is to stabilize within ten years and achieve reductions each year thereafter until X year or however long. Within 30 years of the 1st effective conservation requirements.

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Over the 1st management period and subsequent periods thereafter. Next slide. Reminder, this is just a draft. We are here to discuss this. This is a proposal.

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This is something that we came up with to, to talk about. So the Wilcox AMA management goal is to support the economic growth, reduce the future rate of risk subsidence and extend the life of the aquifer by reducing the groundwater overdraft in the base.

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Listen by as feasible as, by as much as feasible in the 1st 15 management period 15 year management period and in each ten year management period thereafter. This is something that we want to discuss with you all today, talk about, think about.

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Sleep on even submit those comments to us later if you want. This is what we're here to talk about. I'll go back to that a little bit. Sorry, thank you.

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We will now be opening up to the discussion portion of the meeting so that we have time for comments and questions. We go to the next slide now. I want to make sure that.

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Before we get started, I want to just reiterate that if you have any specific questions about your individual circumstances, you can address them either after the meeting to us or you can call the customer service line or email us. Our cards are at the front.

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Please be respectful again to staff and to fellow attendees. We we want to make sure that we're all being cordial in the meeting and please speak into the microphone so that everyone who is participating virtually can hear us, and today's meeting will end at six.

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Cause we only have the room until then, and we are requesting that we are limiting everyone to 2 min, so we will, we will let you know when you have run out of time and we could cut the mic, so just letting you know.

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If you have a desire to speak, we do say that you please line up in the middle row and we'll, we'll go from there and please state your name before doing so. Thank you.

146 "" (0)
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Yes, we can pull up the draft slide.

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John Howard, there we go. John Howard Graham County supervisor. I have an interest in this because I am a supervisor in Gram county.

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I have a couple of questions on, on.

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My 1st question is, how many acre feet are you going to allow an individual to draw or are you, are you doing this process by the entire district? Is it gonna be acre feet? For the entire district, will there be a let a limit or a cutoff on that?

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So as far as irrigation grandfather rights and them being granted, it's based on the historical usage over that five year time period. So in terms of acreage it's that maximum amount of acres that they can prove that they have irrigated in that five year time frame.

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So it's the individual basically? It is on an individual basis based on folks that apply for a grandfathered right and who are approved for that grandfathered right. As Casey mentioned earlier, there are three different types of grandfathered rights, one that's an irrigation grandfathered right and.

152 "" (0)
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In two different types of non irrigation grandfathered rights. So depending on the specific type of right they're applying for, they might be under a non irrigation grandfathered right, might be a a.

153 "" (0)
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A an application might be approved for the volume of water that they were using in the five year historic period. For an irrigation grandfathered right, it's based on acredge, and then as the management plan is developed, there's a calculation that goes to developing an allotment for that acreage and the.

154 "" (0)
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Total volume for that acreage. Okay, thank you. My next question is, I'm sure most of the producers and growers in this in the Wilcox space in and Graham County as well. They probably already have metering devices on their well and know what they're doing. Those that don't have the meter on their wells that that are aren't exempt. Is that cost going.

155 "" (0)
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Going to be passed on to them as an individual to pay for them or does the state pay for that metering process?

156 "" (0)
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So it'll be upon the individual because in Graham county, I'm a past farmer. I had to put meters on 16 wells and on them 16 wells, one of them costs $8000 for doing it where it being compliance, but most of them averaged about $1500 for that meter to work.

157 "" (0)
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And then somebody had to be hired to read that meter and made sure we was all in compliance. So that's just another fee that will be passed on to these folks that they're probably not aware of. So I'm just throwing that out there. Then my final question is, in the past I had a constituent, well, he's not my constituent, he's from Wilkox, he asked me a question about he bought.

158 "" (0)
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Land here several years ago and as an investment.

159 "" (0)
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And it was appraised in the loan and all that was based on a couple million dollars. He has a well on that for 700 gallons a minute, hasn't been used. So now he's got a he's got a loan out and he's got to pay that loan, but with this AMA he will not be able to be grandfathered in, so his investment is done. So.

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That that is just something that needs to be realized. People, a lot of this land over here isn't developed yet and and they wanted to develop it. And now we have this problem that, that folks that has a note out there, they cannot pay their note with this coming down or the I mean it it will be a problem for them. So that's all I have to say, I was just worried.

161 "" (0)
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But wondering about the meters and the the amount of acre feet you was gonna allow. Thank you.

162 "" (0)
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Thank you Mr.. I'm Jim Apple Gate. I'd like to hear the response to the question about reimbursement of costs again.

163 "" (0)
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I couldn't make out what she was saying. Am I gonna get reimbursed for putting in a flow meter? That's what I expected, but I thought I heard something about a slice fund somewhere.

164 "" (0)
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So, this presentation that we're doing today is gonna be posted on our website and it has a link that will give you all the approved measuring devices. You're also welcome to call our wells department who can definitely walk you through, your options there as well.

165 "" (0)
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Oh, now am I.

166 "" (0)
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Partially in terms of installing these meters. It is a, it is a requirement that folks install those meters, but we understand that there are logistical challenges to getting those installed. I would encourage you to communicate that with us as you're doing.

167 "" (0)
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Today and we can work to consider extensions in specific circumstances and things like that. The important thing about those meters is that what we're going to be looking for come 31 March 2026 is a measured water use for each NO.

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Non exempt well. So whether that's from a totalizer style meter or some other type of approved measuring device, we are gonna be looking for water use measurements with those 20, with the 2025 calendar year annual reports that will be submitted in 2026I looked at those reporting.

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Beyond you're lasting for a lot more besides what I'm flowing.

170 "" (0)
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I means I can't give you some other examples, but the list goes on and on and on and I'm not a secretary or anything. There are multiple options for.

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Your meter types, you are able to select from that list of options. That doesn't mean that you have to provide all of the information for all of those options. So if you have a totalizer type meter, then you're able to provide your gallons or thousand gallon readouts from here.

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Period.

173 "" (0)
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Now that's a cost that is hidden in all this. It looks like my next question is throughout this water supply.

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Okay respond to that question sir. Assured to inadequate water supply is a big topic. We will, I understand, I understand.

175 "" (0)
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A lot of concern and confusion there genuinely. It took me probably three or more years of working closely with that team at the department to really wrap my head around what that group does. So have you got a definition? So so what assured or adequate water supply does is requires that.

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New developments demonstrate 100 years of water supply for that development. And what I'll commit to doing is making sure that we have a more full explanation of assured and adequate water supply and how that will be.

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Applied to the will Cox AMA and how that will be implemented in the Wilcox AMA in a future meeting. We'll make sure to have a a more full explanation and discussion of that at a future meeting. Thank you for your long answer.

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My name is Victoria Sky.

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And I live on Turkey Creek. I have her over the past 20 years. I'm a native, I'm here for one reason. I love this place. I listened to you.

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I didn't hear one word about protecting the environment. What's going on now is unsustainable. The wild life is suffering, the local people are being driven out of their homes and their ranches?

181 "" (0)
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And it's been a takeover of all the ancient water underground. Turkey Creek, where water runs down to where it would here.

182 "" (0)
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In the player, the coachese player. I've lived on Turkey Creek for over a de two decades, and Turkey Creek will run over a half of a year.

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No longer, there is NO water coming down from the Cherica mountains. Not Turkey Creek? Not Rock Creek.

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Not far of Mile Creek, not benada Creek. There's a reason for that. And it is very important that those things are being spoken about and addressed.

185 "" (0)
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The natural water rays come down off the mountains in the sacred hoop of the Cherica Apache mountains needs to be protected. Nature wants to be allowed to take its course. What is suffering because Turkey Creek isn't running?

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The lizards, the snakes, the frogs, the curtles, they're gone. Okay, 30 s to tell you that I.

187 "" (0)
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Our focus needs to be to protect our waterways in the sacred hope of the chair cow mountains.

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Cokesa's mountains, double Eagles head, mountains, and the freightest south southern mountain.

189 "" (0)
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That needs to be our focus and your focus, and I haven't heard one single word about water protection, and our environment is being frozened our.

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Thank you for your comment my name's Jesse Davis. Thank you all for being here. Appreciate you taking our questions and our time. So I got one point of clarification. This young lady right here, you said something about an exemption for golf field.

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Lots and dairies, could you, could you expand on that please?

192 "" (0)
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Not exemptions, it's more different classifications. Different classes. Can you expand on that, please? Of course, there are different conservation requirements for bead lots, different conservation requirements for diaries because they are so different. In the sense of.

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Turf is different. A golf course is different than a heat lot. We're not gonna plump them into one sum of the same requirement in conservation efforts. So there's a turf a lot in the initial AMAs, and to be exact. There is a turf a calculation of how much they.

194 "" (0)
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Receiving the allotments for how much they can water their, their golf course. For dairies, there's an allotment based off of how many lactating cows they have.

195 "" (0)
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On their feet or on their dairies. So if there's different classifications based off of how many head they have or how many golf courses holes they have. So that's the, that's the difference. Perhaps you should include ranches? Yes. No feet lots are not ranches. Feet lots are.

196 "" (0)
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Different than ranches. There's a lot of private ground out here about ready to effect in a very negative traumatic way.

197 "" (0)
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As far as your management goal I think you need to also measure all wells in this valley because I am confident that there are many basins, not just two, certainly not one. My wells have not gone down in the northwest Valley. So until you have data.

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You have an ineffective plan and I'll ask one question and end with one comment. How do you qualify a well that is ready to pump but has not done so prior to two or since 2019?

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Perhaps not since the eighties. So that's it's a little bit complicated to answer without additional information. We do have provisions for folks who would be using water from a non exemptable.

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To apply for substantial capital investment. However, that substantial capital investment would have needed to be made within the appropriate five year period, between.

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In 23 October 2019 and 23 October 2024. Depending on the details of the well, if it's going to be used for a non irrigation use, so it's not going to be irrigating two or more acres. If it won't be using a.

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With with all due with all respect I know all that what you're saying. My question is, I have.

203 "" (0)
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I'm 6th generation on the property that I live in since 1872. In 1983, we had a flood. We elected, chose not to farm that ground because of a crushed us financially, we didn't want to farm it anymore.

204 "" (0)
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But there's still viable wells. So are you telling me right now that something that we decided to do in 1983, we're not gonna be able to farm again? The acres that would be eligible to be irrigated going forward would be those.

205 "" (0)
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That were either irrigated in that five year period that I mentioned or that can qualify for substantial capital investment. These are statutory requirements. These are not things that ADWR has flexibility on. Okay, so just for clarification, if I have a casing with water in the hole.

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And I can put a pump on it and irrigate that acreage that has historical data through the farm service agency where I have base acres and mapping that goes back to the forties. Are you seeing a problem with me being able to farm that in a couple years?

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To be irrigated if it had been irrigated in that five year period that I mentioned or could qualify for substantial capital investment.

208 "" (0)
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Yeah, I'm not getting through. I understand what the question is. Try to say yes or NO? The answer is based on what you're saying to me where it doesn't sound like it has been irrigated in the last five years. That's what I'm saying.

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Not be able to be irrigated going forward.

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I want to draw everybody's attention to a meeting they had last week, and it was to my final comment. She spoke just as much as I did. My final comment is you had a meeting last week.

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Public meeting in regards to AMAs in Phoenix and one other, I can't recall the name, but the title everyone was called Ag to urban. Thank you for your comment.

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My name's Young Maybury I'm from st. David. I'm sure everybody in here will recall in 2022 there was a proposition on the ballot as to whether or not we wanted y'all wanted an AMA. It was rejected. It was rejected by the Wildcox people.

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And by stroke of luck, if you will, the Douglas one was accepted because of a lot of non agricultural people out of Douglas, out of Bisby. I'm concerned in the st. David area on the San Pedro area that we're gonna be next in line.

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For a top down dictated AMA, not interested in that. I knew I served 28 years in the Air Force as an officer, combating socialism against the union, this, the, the USSR, the Union of Soviet Socialist Republic.

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What we have here in Arizona right now through the 1980 law is a socialist program. Because we know in a AR ARS 40 five-one 41, it says that all waters from all sources belong to the public and are subject.

216 "" (0)
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To appropriation. That's the short version. In effect, if we don't have control of our water, we don't have control of our lands and that is a socialist dream to have the government control the land. And that's what's going on here.

217 "" (0)
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You folks come down from Phoenix and try to tell us here in coachest County how we're gonna operate as far as water goes. After we already are the people here anyway, already rejected an AMA. San Pedro's next.

218 "" (0)
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Sansimona is probably next. I think we need to wake up folks, that we're dealing with the socialist program right here and we need to put a stop to it. Now, these are fine folks, nice people, I'm sure, but President Reagan said.

219 "" (0)
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The most terrifying words in the American English language are, were from the government and we're here to help. We've heard these people from the government and how they're helping us. Why don't we help ourselves?

220 "" (0)
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If we want to put something together, don't you think we have enough brainpower to do it? Or do we have to have these young kids come down and tell us how to do it? We're ranchers, we're farmers, we're longtime residents. I'm 70 years old, born and raised in Coachese County.

221 "" (0)
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I think I know a little bit more about what's going on in our county and how we should do it that these folks do. Anyway, watch out for socialism, it spreads. Look at Venezuela. Do we want to be Venezuela? I don't. And I'm not willing to let it happen.

222 "" (0)
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Thank you. Thank you for your comments Mike Wear, Osborne in Wilkox, Arizona.

223 "" (0)
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I will die here in Wilkox, Arizona. I'm a Rancher this generation. We've seen the water rose go when spreakled sugars was out in a Kansas settlement, they run tons of tailwater under ranch we had down there.

224 "" (0)
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They thought they were drying up, so they moved on. On comes another man and then another man, and now the dairy. This has been going on longer than you people even been alive. I look at all of you and I really iterate what the man just said there. You're trying to tell us how to live.

225 "" (0)
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Our lives by your socialistic ideas. We voted on this. We voted it down and then you come along with a backhand deal until your vote means nothing. That's exactly what you all are doing. It's telling us our vote means nothing.

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And this is totally wrong. When you turn around and look at the lady talking about the chair cows, there's NO snow melt on the chair of cows right now. I live off the chair of cows slopes near primary Creek. There's NO, then NO runoff for years, but when we do get a recharge, we get a fast recharge, the same in the Beneat area.

227 "" (0)
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Up there, when we get a recharge, it's a fast recharge and it's a rebuilt real quick. In anticipation of this AMA I put in and drilled a non exempt will. Now you're telling me I cannot use that non exempt will. So is that not a substantial investment in my land which you were taking from me as a takings?

228 "" (0)
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I believe it is, and I believe you people are doing it because you wanna move this water to where the people are that have the votes. Yarly Royal County doesn't carry the votes. Like your Urban counties do, Maricopa, Panel Pima, all of those.

229 "" (0)
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My last question is how do I quantify my will? Substantial investment. So to apply for a substantial capital divestment, you would apply for an irrigation grandfather to right with that SCI attachment. We have some applications over there as well as on our website. And when you.

230 "" (0)
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Apply for that, you would just include whatever receipts you have for the improvements that you made upon your property that apply to your land. So I like to save my water. I did it as an investment. I like to put money in the bank. Water's money in the bank folks. It is.

231 "" (0)
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And here you are telling me now that I can't cash in on my monies. We drill two non exempt wells in anticipation of this because remember when the government gets their mind to do something, they do it. And we can bark all day long and talk as much as we want and nothing changes because they come down with a heavy hand at the top. Governor, and then your department of water.

232 "" (0)
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The resources director, that is pretty low and that's pretty cut throat.

233 "" (0)
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Thank you for your comment.

234 "" (0)
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Not a single one of them. 35 billion gallons of water a year.

235 "" (0)
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And you're not regulating.

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How can you say that? Yes.

237 "" (0)
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I can answer that. So on our website and we can make sure we provide a link to this, we do have interactive GIS type maps, so kind of if you imagine like Google Maps where you can zoom in on it, we have GIS maps with those boundaries on it, so you can zoom in as far as you want to be.

238 "" (0)
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Be able to see more precisely the locations of those boundaries.

239 "" (0)
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Okay.

240 "" (0)
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Thank you. Thank you for your comments sir. Hello. My name's John Fleshman. I moved here to Coachese County 21 years ago.

241 "" (0)
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Upon completion of a 25 year coast guard career, I retired as a warren officer, a chief warren officer in the Coast Guarden came here to make my home, and I watched.

242 "" (0)
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Since then, I've noticed that, you know, for a long time there was NO water issue. There appeared to be NO water issue until large out of state commercial interests came in and started sucking out as much water as it could possibly draw.

243 "" (0)
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Now this hurts everybody in the county. If you want to have a generational farming to continue, it requires water regulation. Now you say well let the people regulate it well, cut all kind of time to do that.

244 "" (0)
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So time for and I very much support the AMA because it wasn't getting done, it was gonna be a free if the free for all would continue and whoever has the biggest pumps, the deepest pumps, the deepest wells was gonna take the water.

245 "" (0)
01:20:04.659 --> 01:20:24.559
The dairy came in and when they came in they asked if the Aquafer would support 30 years of their operation. They don't care if it, if it leaves nothing at the end of 30 years. They don't care, they don't live here. They're not from here.

246 "" (0)
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They don't and, you know, there's a thing that says some I watched I heard something recently that said, arguments or arguments give me data. Data will serve arguments. The data is we have.

247 "" (0)
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Subsidedance dropping wells, dangerous conditions that have brought us to where we are today. And another thing says the proof is in the putin, you might say, which is, it's obvious through the subsidance, the fishers.

248 "" (0)
01:21:00.369 --> 01:21:20.679
The people, everyone losing their wells, that something must be done. And so I'm just up here today to support the AMA. And like it or not, it's industri it's an agricultural valley but there are many private citizens moving in.

249 "" (0)
01:21:20.679 --> 01:21:39.289
I know I'm one of them. There are lots of them. We all have to work together so that the generations can have water in perpetuity. And my last I have one question. As a private well, do I need to, I'm not clear on this, do I need to register my well?

250 "" (0)
01:21:42.469 --> 01:22:02.469
So, ok. So all, all wells in the state are required to be registered with the state. That registration number will be a 55 number, so it'll be 50 five-and then six more digits. That just registers the well as being owned by you. Let's say DWR know that that well.

251 "" (0)
01:22:02.469 --> 01:22:07.369
Well exists. That doesn't mean that that well is regulated. The well is.

252 "" (0)
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Non exempt and required to report only if it is greater than 35 gallons per minute is being used to irrigate two or more acres or is using ten or more acre feet for a donnarigation use. So there are a lot of small.

253 "" (0)
01:22:27.369 --> 01:22:40.939
Zempt wells that are smaller than 35 gallons a minute aren't using ten or more acre feet, aren't irrigating two or more acres that aren't going to be subject to the reporting requirements, conservation requirements and that sort of thing.

254 "" (0)
01:22:40.939 --> 01:23:00.939
And have to apply for a grandfathered right. So mine should have been registered when I got a well permit, correct? Okay. Okay. So therefore and so I don't have there's NO I don't have to do anything more. It's an example. Perfect. Okay.

255 "" (0)
01:23:00.939 --> 01:23:09.679
But like I said, just to reiterate, very much in favor of the AMA, I don't see it as a socialist thing, I see it as something too.

256 "" (0)
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Where the government came in to say we are going to since provide the good for the all everyone, for the good of all. Anyway, thank you very much. Have a good day.

257 "" (0)
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Thank you for your comment. I'm.

258 "" (0)
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Electric.

259 "" (0)
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Lots of things going on.

260 "" (0)
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The. That's the economic engine.

261 "" (0)
01:24:43.849 --> 01:25:03.849
Thank you for your comment. I'm sorry.

262 "" (0)
01:25:03.849 --> 01:25:23.849
I have a vineyard here in Wilcox, one of the lowest water use crops. My question is just about for the substantial capital investment. What is that date specific in within that five years that you've been irrigating or can you have, you know, if you're showing your receipts.

263 "" (0)
01:25:27.169 --> 01:25:47.169
So yes, it is still a date specific to that same time range of 23 October 2019 to the 20 23 October 2024. What I, what I might clarify there is if you've been irrigating in that time period, then you can apply kind of for a regular grant.

264 "" (0)
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Unfathered right. But if there is additional land that you haven't irrigated, then you can also apply for substantial capital investment. So in the example of Douglas, we've seen applications that were 100 % applications for substantial capital investment where NO land had been irrigated.

265 "" (0)
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We also saw some that were a mix where some land had been irrigated, but they were requesting additional land to be considered for substantial capital investment. Does that answer your question, that makes Yes, thank you.

266 "" (0)
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One more question. Just about enforcement. Maybe you can answer. But who is checking on the checking on.

267 "" (0)
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If they're not kind of following the guidelines, how would that work?

268 "" (0)
01:26:45.049 --> 01:27:05.049
So ADWR does have statutory enforcement authority. We do have a compliance and enforcement team that actively monitors irrigable acres, that type of thing throughout the AMA.

269 "" (0)
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As AMAs start getting established or as an EMA gets further along in the establishment process and we start getting things like reported water use. We have GIS or a satellite imagery that we can use to kind of check.

270 "" (0)
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Certain parameters, so if we say, so say we get a report from someone with a hundred acres who says they used ten acre feet of water, but we can see on the satellite that they irrigated all hundred of their acres, we're gonna know to maybe look into that report to maybe do an inspection on that well, that type of thing.

271 "" (0)
01:27:45.049 --> 01:27:53.629
Thing, so we do have methods to kind of proof and yes.

272 "" (0)
01:27:53.629 --> 01:28:09.679
Thank you. Thank you for your comment. I'm Kathy Collins. I have a couple questions. The management plan at Arizona water.gov you said 31 January for the comments or or ideas.

273 "" (0)
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That's this year, that's like in two weeks. Oh, ok. So, you also used a, that, that's for comments on the, on the proposed goal that we we have right now. You also use like a goal template to figure out the goal?

274 "" (0)
01:28:26.089 --> 01:28:46.089
Is that somewhere online can we see that? We'll be posting this presentation? Yes. And then sorry what I'll what I'll add about the comments that are, we have a deadline in a couple weeks. That's really an initial deadline. What we'll what we're trying.

275 "" (0)
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Trying to do is collect some initial feedback from folks down here and then we'll come back and have another meeting, discuss the feedback we've had, we've gotten and see if we can have additional conversation about it at that time. It won't be necessarily the end of the process or the end of the discussion. So will all of our meetings be like this just an open meeting.

276 "" (0)
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We will eventually have a GUAC formed, which is a council board, which is a governor appointed board eventually, eventually. We are except, we are in the process of, app.

277 "" (0)
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I guess creating applications, and accepting applications. Oh, sorry. Thank you. By statute, there is a groundwater users advisory council in each active management area. That's what GUAC stands for. Those members on the GUAC are.

278 "" (0)
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Are appointed by the governor and so folks can apply through the boards and commission's website. Okay I know this, but do is there a deadline for that to be set up? Because right now all these things are being created by maybe you guys, maybe ADWR I don't know who's creating them, but it's not.

279 "" (0)
01:30:08.869 --> 01:30:28.869
Us and I think it would be more effective if you didn't come here and tell us that well this is the thing, so give us ideas. I mean just I think it would work better if there were actually a committee that had representatives from that we knew who to contact and talked to them about it and they would take it to your meeting. There is not a deadline for folks to apply to board and boards and commissions.

280 "" (0)
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I just checked a few minutes ago whether that application was up on boards and commission's website and it is not. So I will follow up with them once I get back to the office tomorrow and make sure that they make that application available. What I will say is that once the GUAC is appointed by the governor's office.

281 "" (0)
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Then we would work closely with them and make sure we are getting additional feedback from those members. However, we also want to make sure that we have broader conversations with folks in the community. The guacs are certainly helpful, can certainly talk with more folks in the community or certainly more in touch with the local conditions here.

282 "" (0)
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But we want to make sure that we're also making these discussions available available to us broad of a stakeholder group as we can, which is fine, but do we really, you know, we can tell you over and over again that we don't want an AMA, but that doesn't matter. We need to get the AMA working and have it working correctly so we know what we're doing.

283 "" (0)
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I mean, you have 31 May or 31 March to have our, to have our meters on, but.

284 "" (0)
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Nothing's set up yet, like, like, you know, it doesn't make a lot of sense to have everything's going. We're going, we're going, we're going and we don't have anything set up yet. Sure. And, and I definitely understand the frustration. We ask for patience. It takes time to get those things set up and there are statutory timelines and deadlines there.

285 "" (0)
01:31:54.109 --> 01:32:14.109
My name is My name is Sam Pillsbury. I've been growing graves and making wine in Cancer settlements since 2000. One of the critical things for me to know economically is what is the date by which we will know that our grandfathered rights and and whatever whatever other rights we're.

286 "" (0)
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Looking for, we will will be allowed and, and certified.

287 "" (0)
01:32:18.139 --> 01:32:38.139
Good question. So the application deadline is 8 April 2026. After that statutorily, we have to post a registry of all applications that we've received on our website with all the personal details redacted. And that gives folks in the basin a chance to look at who is a.

288 "" (0)
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Applied and maybe you know of some factual issues with some applications and it gives people the opportunity to object to those applications. After that, you know, evidence is heard and decisions are made in terms of that, but after that 180 day objection period, that's when, that's when grandfather rights can be issued.

289 "" (0)
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What day would that be? And you good at math? Yeah, Towards the end of October of 2026, yeah. Yeah. Okay, it's a it's a long time. It's gonna affect my business for sure. Okay, thanks. Thanks sir.

290 "" (0)
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Patty, I'm Scott Zickerfus, I'm a resident of Wilkox. I'm Scott Zikafus. I'm a resident of Wilkox.

291 "" (0)
01:33:40.549 --> 01:33:57.289
I haven't been here all that long, but one of the things that in this process that I haven't seen yet, heard any anybody talking about yet is cost per acre foot per.

292 "" (0)
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I, you know, I don't know, I don't know how that would go. I haven't heard anything about it. I imagine enforcement would be largely based on exceeding.

293 "" (0)
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Some baseline value, which is what you're trying to get with meters going in later this year, is, is trying to get some idea of baseline. I don't know where you're gonna see reductions.

294 "" (0)
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With, with what's going on, you know, I mean, the dairy's not gonna reduce anything because they don't draw any more than what they need. The power plant's not gonna change what they do cause they draw what they need. They're not drawing excess water. Neither any of these ranches or anybody else.

295 "" (0)
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It's it's kind of nonsensical in the scheme of things you know unless you're gonna start paying for somebody's land because effectively you're taking their land from them.

296 "" (0)
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That's all I got. Thank you for your comment. I'm Jim Graham. My wife and I farm wine grapes and pastachios out by Cochiz. I think one of the things that.

297 "" (0)
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Those of us in the specialty crops in particular are concerned about is how quickly we can get substantial capital investment designation. You might understand that if if we were gonna expand our vineyard and we had grape vines ordered, you order them a year.

298 "" (0)
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Here in advance so that you've got them, you lay out your irrigation, you've done all this.

299 "" (0)
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We understand that it probably will qualify for substantial investment, but how quickly will those applications be approved? It's pretty important to those of us in the vineyard business in particular. So I kind of.

300 "" (0)
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Mentioned before, once the application deadline passes, we have that 180 day objection period, so near like mid to late October is when, rights would be issued.

301 "" (0)
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Of 2026 talking about two years, so if people have I'm sorry. You understand that question. I understand the question and I understand the concern. These timelines that Casey and Madison have talked about, the 15 months after the establishment of the AMA for.

302 "" (0)
01:36:45.639 --> 01:37:04.129
For the application deadline plus an additional six months for objections, those are laid out in state law. ADWR does not have authority to issue any grandfathered rights prior to those processes playing out. We have to follow the timelines laid out in state law.

303 "" (0)
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Hi, my name's Kurt. I haven't been here in the area a long time. I bought some property about 60 acres about four years ago, and the reason I bought it was because it had an irrigation well on it. Okay so.

304 "" (0)
01:37:24.129 --> 01:37:41.569
I understand the state's got a timeline, but I didn't know anything about the state's timeline. My timeline was different. I haven't done anything other than purchased the property. I've erected a barb, I haven't cleared land yet, but my intent was always to grow some grass and run a few cows.

305 "" (0)
01:37:41.569 --> 01:38:01.569
So, I can't show that that thing's been irrigated in the last five years. I can show you that I bought the property. Is that considered a substantial capital investment? I'm sorry my timeline wasn't conducive to what you guys are doing, but I've got 60 acres that was irrigated at one time.

306 "" (0)
01:38:01.569 --> 01:38:21.759
So, SCI is very fact specific, so if you believe as though your investment in purchase of your land is something that would qualify as capital investment, we definitely welcome you to apply. But it's not what excuse me, it's not what I believe it's what you will.

307 "" (0)
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Because I can believe in anything I want to, and unless you believe.

308 "" (0)
01:38:26.839 --> 01:38:46.839
And you trust me that I say I bought that land because I can show you Google Earth pictures where it was irrigated. I can show you the croprose. I I can tell you that, but unless you believe it, I'm screwed, right? So typically with substantial capital investment applications and.

309 "" (0)
01:38:46.839 --> 01:39:06.839
Obviously I can't speak to your specific case or give you advice here, but in general with substantial capital and investment applications, ADWR does not consider the purchase price of land as a part of the investment. The investment has to be toward bringing the land into irrigation.

310 "" (0)
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Now, if you can demonstrate that a differential that some premium was paid for that land because it had existing irrigation infrastructure, then we can consider that differential, that premium that was paid as a part of substantial capital investment.

311 "" (0)
01:39:44.829 --> 01:39:51.439
Minds as to what cost and substantial capital investment is and that's what I'm trying to get on sales for maintenance sir.

312 "" (0)
01:39:51.439 --> 01:40:11.439
Excuse me? I'm gonna. Okay, so that I.

313 "" (0)
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We we cannot give recommendations, we cannot make determinations on substantial capital investment this goes through adwr's process. ADWR cannot make determinations on substantial capital investment applications outside.

314 "" (0)
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Side of our application process. It has to go through the process.

315 "" (0)
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And I understand that's not the answer you wanted, but it's the only answer.

316 "" (0)
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Thank you for your time. I I would just like to say, we we do appreciate the frustration, we appreciate that I'm gonna keep speaking. We appreciate that this is a lot of information.

317 "" (0)
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We appreciate that this is a big change and for the staff, for the department, the AMA exists today, and our statutory obligation is to implement the loss and the structures of the AMA is written. We're not here to de.

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They.

319 "" (0)
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The ama's existence or whether or not it should exist from this point it exists and our role is to implement it. There are some things that are laid out in state statute that we simply can't have flexibility with, and I understand that that's frustrating, and we also can't have flexibility with those things because we have a statutory.

320 "" (0)
01:41:57.669 --> 01:42:00.829
Very legal obligation to implement those things.

321 "" (0)
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Hi, my name is Vicki Sud Marscow and I'm a real estate broker here in Coachese and Graham County. Now I just want to say a few things especially for what he said and what you commented on.

322 "" (0)
01:42:19.129 --> 01:42:36.409
When land is purchased here on it, we do give it more value. So for you to go ahead and say that you're not gonna include that in their, in their application, that's wrong. So to clarify the finish.

323 "" (0)
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I would like to say what I said is that if there is a premium paid for something like an irrigation well on that land, we can consider that premium as a part of system. How are you gonna judge what that premium is? That is, that is that burden is on the side of the applicant, the applicant. Right, so again, so he can come and ask me.

324 "" (0)
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Refer a letter by all means, come get me right down the street, and I'll write him a letter to show you that raw vacant land with nothing on it is a whole lot less than a, a piece of property with an irrigation well on it. So those are things that you need to be considered of. And then the other thing like most of these.

325 "" (0)
01:43:17.839 --> 01:43:37.839
You should have that board in place already because you're gonna set up all these rules and regulations and then come back and say, Oh alright, here's a board, you know, now we're gonna go ahead and change things. That's not helping these vineyards. They're not helping the dairy, it's not helping anybody. We don't want to blame the.

326 "" (0)
01:43:37.839 --> 01:43:42.979
Very for all these problems that we're having, but the thing is, 1st of all.

327 "" (0)
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In the last meeting you talked about that you've been watching the ground waters and that there was issues you have all these reports and everything else, it is your fault that so many wells had gone in that is affecting some of these residential properties. The thing is, it should not be in an AMA. You guys should have.

328 "" (0)
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Your job when these applications were going in for these well wells being drilled. So again, they voted on it, it should be NO, and we need to do something to get you out of here.

329 "" (0)
01:44:16.250 --> 01:44:33.950
My name Isley. I'm living here for more than 30 years. I think we got the prime example of.

330 "" (0)
01:44:33.950 --> 01:44:49.670
The property that is affected is gonna be worth nothing. I don't know if we can keep open the hospital the fire department.

331 "" (0)
01:44:49.670 --> 01:45:05.480
And the schools, because the property tax income is gonna go down. The value of the land is gonna drop probably 80 %. Now, a lot of people here have a well.

332 "" (0)
01:45:05.480 --> 01:45:22.190
They don't use, and I don't care if that well is 70 years old or seven years old or seven days. That's a capital investment. Each well, if you have to drill it now, is worth $200000 at least.

333 "" (0)
01:45:22.190 --> 01:45:39.470
So I think you're on the wrong path. We're dealing here with length with a well, and if the well is never used its capital destroying. And by the way, this whole deal.

334 "" (0)
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Is the election interference. I tell that again, I tell it last time. This is election interference. We had a clear NO of way over 60 % and I think we're still.

335 "" (0)
01:46:15.730 --> 01:46:27.680
We have irrigated land that is going to be sold before October of 2026, we would have NO guarantee to our buyer that they would be approved to use that irrigated land.

336 "" (0)
01:46:27.680 --> 01:46:47.680
Are we just gonna be held up for two years? So on our applications, we actually have a question where we ask if you've owned that parcel of land within that five year time span, and if not, you communicate with the person who, you know, would purchase that land and receive.

337 "" (0)
01:46:47.680 --> 01:46:55.790
Those records proving that irrigation happened basically. It's not what she's saying. What she's saying is.

338 "" (0)
01:46:55.790 --> 01:47:15.790
Is that the fact is, is that if she wants to get ahead and sell her property, put a premium price on it because of what she has their down. She can't guarantee that value in two years because you might get ahead and not approve her application or the new person's application. So again, you're affective.

339 "" (0)
01:47:15.790 --> 01:47:21.080
Acting their livelihood and affecting the property to be sold.

340 "" (0)
01:47:21.080 --> 01:47:37.640
ADWR can't provide legal advice. I would, I would encourage if you have concerns about your specific situation to consult an attorney. However, ma'am, let me finish. However.

341 "" (0)
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What I can say is that all of these do have to go through the application process. The application process is laid out in statute and we can't vary from that. We do have a process to allow a pending application to, follow the change of ownership and allow that application to be.

342 "" (0)
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Transferred to a new owner, but we can't make a determination on a specific application outside of that application process.

343 "" (0)
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So we would need to hire an attorney and we would need to have this sale be contingent on the fact that it might be approved. She's not gonna answer that. Yeah, the best we can do is is reiterate that all of the applications.

344 "" (0)
01:48:25.360 --> 01:48:35.600
Questions have to go through that application process. I'm not gonna be able to give you an answer on your specific situation, on your specific application outside of that application process.

345 "" (0)
01:48:35.600 --> 01:48:50.660
So we wouldn't know until October of 2026. That's when we will start issuing grandfathered rights, that's correct. Start issuing. Yep, so that's not a definite date either. It would depend on the facts of each application.

346 "" (0)
01:48:50.660 --> 01:49:10.660
How long do you think it would take to go through all of the applications? We haven't begun receiving, we have our applications available, but I don't believe we've received any yet, so I can't say how many will receive and how long that would take. But I'm just saying, ok, October of 2026 would be the start of it and it could go on for some period of time after that before they're approved.

347 "" (0)
01:49:10.660 --> 01:49:30.290
So speaking generally, simple applications where there was clear evidence of historic irrigation would be relatively quick for us to process and get off the door. Things it would need to follow that application process and.

348 "" (0)
01:49:30.290 --> 01:49:46.340
Would have to go through that process. I can't necessarily speak to the facts of a specific application. For things that include a lot of complexity where there maybe questions about whether land was actually irrigated or where there might not be.

349 "" (0)
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A Totally clear determination on substantial capital investment or other things like that, where there might be more legal questions. Those types of applications that are more complex are gonna take longer. But ones where there is clear evidence of irrigation.

350 "" (0)
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Should be some of the 1st that would go out the door. Thank you all for being here today. My name is about 22 years now.

351 "" (0)
01:50:22.540 --> 01:50:39.200
Acknowledge that before the AMA, ADWR had NO legal basis to keep the big growers out of this area. There was nothing you all could have done to keep river view out, e.g.. So.

352 "" (0)
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One of the good things about the AMA now is that another river view cannot come in. Another try nut grower from out of California cannot come in. That's a good thing. But I wanna say that the management goal.

353 "" (0)
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Needs to in some way, recognize that there is a big difference between Riverview and every other irrigation user groundwater user in this AMA.

354 "" (0)
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And I think I was really encouraged when you said that in Douglas AMA, you're working on kind of a tier system. River View is in a class by itself. There is that tier and then there could be.

355 "" (0)
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But there's everybody else, right? So I think.

356 "" (0)
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The draft needs to be revised to recognize this huge disparity and to build some fairness in as a principle.

357 "" (0)
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How ground water is going to be managed has to be fair to everyone and that means acknowledging that there is a user who is taking way, way more.

358 "" (0)
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Then it's good for the health of the aquiffer and for the health of our entire area. So thank you.

359 "" (0)
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My name is Lisa Glenn and I have lived here in, in the basin for 57 years with my husband. So much of what has been said here tonight is absolutely true.

360 "" (0)
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For generations, ranchers, small farmers, residents, business, city, have all coexisted quite well here. We have been a community.

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That was thoughtful, we were concerned for each other, and we did, we tried to do what was right for the community. We have gotten in this situation that we are in today, an unsustainable situation, not through any.

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He much fault of our own.

363 "" (0)
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At one time, the coachese county supervisors had to have had zoning on industrialized dairies and dairy feed lots. They had denied for Ria dairy an exemption to expand onto line.

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Man that was zoned for small agriculture. Korea appealed to the aero Arizona Appeals Court in 2009.

365 "" (0)
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Where it was also denied. And David Steven.

366 "" (0)
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And signed into law on 14 April 2011 by the governor Jan Brewer.

367 "" (0)
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This bill made an exception to the zoning ordinance law. It took away our own county's authority, the zone specifically dairies and dairy feed laws, and thus it also took away our local control of how much.

368 "" (0)
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Owned water could be pumped by dairies and dairy feed lots. River View bought out for Ria Dairy in 2014 for 38 million plus in cash. Since that time, we have all been talking about local control.

369 "" (0)
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We have put forth bills at the legislature most ever even been heard and we have sent people to the legislature to try to get something done.

370 "" (0)
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All the time, knowing, not knowing that we had absolutely NO local control over industrialized ag. This whole unsustainable.

371 "" (0)
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Situation in our basin is due to scale, industrialized scale. And that is where what we have to address. Cheryl not is absolutely right.

372 "" (0)
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But it's the big players who have been allowed to come in and suck our awkward for down by hundreds of feet. Okay, it is the big players who need to draw down the most.

373 "" (0)
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But we need to understand thank you Excuse me.

374 "" (0)
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Good afternoon.

375 "" (0)
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Groups. It's not the people that bought a well.

376 "" (0)
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So there are different types of grandfathered rights for irrigation users or non irrigation users. So the industrial type users would be cloud.

377 "" (0)
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Under non irrigation. For someone who was using water for a non irrigation use in the five years prior to the AMA being established, they can apply for what's called a type two non irrigation right, which, if approved would grant.

378 "" (0)
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A grandfathered groundwater right for a non irrigation use equal to the highest use in the five years prior to the AMA being established. Okay, let me, there's more to that. In addition to that, there are also conservation requirements written into management plans.

379 "" (0)
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For those large users. Like Madison talked about, those management plans.

380 "" (0)
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Can be customized to a specific area. So I can't say exactly what those conservation requirements are going to be for Wilcox because as we work through this process, we'll have additional meetings to talk about those requirements and develop those together. In other AMAs, we do have specific.

381 "" (0)
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Conservation requirements for power plants, requirements that they meet certain efficiency standards. We have specific conservation requirements for diaries requiring that they meet against certain efficiency standards and water use per head of cattle standards, that type of thing. So while I can't say necessarily.

382 "" (0)
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Really what those will be for here because they haven't been developed yet. Those types of things are very common in the other AMAs and do work to increase conservation and efficiency at those types of facilities.

383 "" (0)
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Yes. So, so for the acres that are associated with feed lots or diaries, those would be classified as a non irrigation use, where it's the the physical diary where it's stalls and the milking equipment and that kind of thing. That would be classified as a non irrigation use, and the.

384 "" (0)
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Those would be under that type two type of grandfathered right that I talked about and also the requirements in the industrial section of a management plan that would be developed. For the irrigated land, that's gonna be under an irrigation grandfathered right.

385 "" (0)
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Specifically defined by the physical acres where that irrigation is occurring.

386 "" (0)
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Okay.

387 "" (0)
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Bridge because I see that where.

388 "" (0)
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This whole. More sustainable crop if I can put it that way and don't draw from the aquifer. So, the question really comes down to this.

389 "" (0)
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To allow.

390 "" (0)
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For, u.

391 "" (0)
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Sorry I'm just making a note I'm, so I'm trying to think of of how precisely to answer the question it was, it was long.

392 "" (0)
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Yes, and I I apologize that I also took some of your time, so I appreciate you being patient with me. My, so under the grandfathered rights definitions, so the type two I talked about, the irrigation grandfathered right, those things are very defined in state law. So everyone is.

393 "" (0)
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Treated the same for those pieces. For the management plan requirements, there is more opportunity for customization. We would not.

394 "" (0)
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Target specific requirements at specific users because we want to make sure that those requirements are equitable, but something we have done in other management plans is require certain categories of users to submit a site specific conservation plan, e.g.. So, that is certainly.

395 "" (0)
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Really something we could consider as a part of, industrial water use requirements for the Wilcox management plan.

396 "" (0)
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According to.

397 "" (0)
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Same as us. Yes. Thank you.

398 "" (0)
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I just want to note the time. We are about 5 min before our end time. I am gonna let you speak Steve. I just want to note if anyone else is wanting to speak, we'll want to bring through these last few comments quickly. Hi, my name's Steve.

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In the Pierce Arizona area, southern part of the basin. I've been living here 25 years, domestic well user. I wanna just recognize that I think we have a, probably an unprecedented situation here with a Wellcox basin in terms of the level of the overdraft.

400 "" (0)
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I know some of the initial AMAs when they were established, certainly the over over draft wasn't anywhere near what we're at today and also wanna recognize, and I think that requires maybe some, some recognition in the goal, of that draft and and how we might need to respond.

401 "" (0)
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Given the level. I know some folks.

402 "" (0)
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In the room have said their wells have knocked on dry or have not, their water levels have knock gone dry, but have gone not not de declined significantly. But in very widespread of parts of the base and they have declined significantly and and kind of been piggybacking on some of the comments of the previous few folks.

403 "" (0)
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Regarding some of the larger users, some of the biggest declines, in fact, most of the biggest declines are in very concentrated areas where there's very concentrated farming irrigation, upwards of 55 to 60 center pivots within a 5 mi area.

404 "" (0)
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In the Sunazone area, e.g., in Turkey Creek, in the Cans settlement area a similar situation, and then also a little bit up over in the pierre sun sites area and then area an area nor on the northern part of the basin.

405 "" (0)
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Could could a management plan look at specific and I know some folks are, are gonna be affected more there's potentially more consequences for those folks who particularly have the the not as deep wells, particularly the domestic users in those areas. Would there be a way for.

406 "" (0)
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I'm sorry management goal.

407 "" (0)
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And haven't be recognized that you might have a differential requirements as well as objective for some of these areas that are depleting much more quickly because, you know, asking somebody that's up in an area that's not depleting very quickly. Okay.

408 "" (0)
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To to reduce their, theirs as much it wouldn't It doesn't seem to be necessarily fair or or gonna be as effective asking someone to reduce an area that's not very densely being farmed or irrigated and affecting a lot of other homeowners and land users as it is.

409 "" (0)
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Is in those areas where it's very concentrated. So that's something to think about. The other, other question I would have or comment would be I I think you we owe it, you owe it to all of us to define the word feasible.

410 "" (0)
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In 2nd half of the management goal there. Okay, and then the last and then also to at least provide some growth because alright thank you.

411 "" (0)
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If you have any written comments, we'd be great. Yeah I'll send this out via email. Appreciate that. Before we have you, I do have one person online with a raised hand and then I'll get to you after that person. So we have Carlos online. Carlos, I will go ahead and unmute you.

412 "" (0)
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And you can, maybe I won't.

413 "" (0)
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Oops oh to unmute people. It's not working. I might need help Dennis. Sorry.

414 "" (0)
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I'm clicking it, I swear. I just clicked on the microphone thing for and it's not working. Oh, ok. Whoops. Did it work? No, it didn't work. Okay, we last.

415 "" (0)
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Sorry about that, for our online Carlos person, we will come back to you in a moment once I figure out how to unmute you. But for now I will let our in person comment her go. Good evening. This is Kayleb Miniger. I'm just a local resident with a couple of acres and this was one.

416 "" (0)
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Wondering on the capital investment side, I've been working for like the last five years trying to get my little farm going.

417 "" (0)
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But if I don't have a paper that says I put X amount of time into my property, how do I prove that I have capital investment? Do I just submit my grocery bills or or how do I prove that, you know, my blood and sweat I've, you know, been putting into it last five.

418 "" (0)
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The years is the capital investment. Is there any, any thought on that?

419 "" (0)
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Yes, so, any like hours spent definitely count especially if you can get some kind of like quote for somebody if you were the one doing the work, otherwise like any kind of receipts that you have for any kind of investments into your property, definitely, will count towards that.

420 "" (0)
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So like if I would get an alternative quote from somebody saying that, like, this is what this would have cost to do, that would qualify even though I did it all myself, that's definitely something that we take into consideration, yes, ok? Sounds good.

421 "" (0)
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Thank you. And now we can go ahead and get to our online comment with Carlos. Give me a second Carlos, I'm gonna take you off the mute here in a second.

422 "" (0)
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Are you able to unmute yourself Carlos? Sir.

423 "" (0)
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We are after 06:00, with Carlos not unmuting and I'm not seeing any additional comments there. We are gonna go ahead and wrap up our meeting today. We are happy to accept any additional written comments via.

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Our email address. We'll be posting the slides and additional information on our website and there are cards at the table by the door with our contact information where you can reach us. We really do appreciate everyone being here tonight and participating. We appreciate all the questions and we look forward.

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To continuing to work with you all. Thank you.